Talk:Balloon modelling

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There's a lot more info to be had by following the source link, especially on techniques. It would also really help if someone could upload a few pictures; I might even buy a few balloons and do it myself. Importance in carnival/fair atmosphere and clowning/stage magic might be appropriate, as well as mention of books, movies, video games where it's used (i.e., The Mask, Kingdom of Loathing, etc.)--Polyparadigm 08:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

IS THE TITLE CORRECT?
I have checked out 3 different dictionaries to see how "modeling" is spelled. It shows that Modeling is spelled as "modeling" in America, but as "Modelling" mainly in England. Are we trying to appeal to America or British users? If British, than "color" is spelled wrong as it would be "colour". If we are trying to appeal to Americans, then the title should be spelled "Modeling". I have changed the body of the texts to reflect in agreement with the spellcheck I have here, but this differs from the title. Should there be a balloon Modeling and a Balloon modelling page? My personal opinion on the matter is we could forgo all this bother and call it "balloon artistry", "Balloon Art", or "Balloon Twisting". LondonTaxi (talk) 06:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The general rule on Wikipedia is to keep the current spellings. So this article ought to use British spelling. 86.21.227.237 (talk) 19:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

hello —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.234.67.72 (talk) 21:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Sources and incorrect information
This article needs sources. Also, I believe it contains some incorrect information. It states that the most common balloons are 2" by 60" and 1" by 60". I don't believe this correct. 60" is five feet. The balloons that I have used and which I believe are the most common size for typical balloon animals are probably about 1" to 1.5" by 3.5' or so.  Five feet sounds too long.  JBFrenchhorn (talk) 09:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A quick search on the web shows a large number of websites (usually wholesalers/retailers) mentioning the sizes of the 160 and 260 as being 1X60 or 2X60 inches. The sizes are what I was taught when I first started twisting balloons 20 years ago, bu  I agree, I rarely see my balloons grow longer than a 3 feet or so, so I wonder if it should really be 2 cm x 60 cm?  That would be more in line with what I experience.  BUT I would need some source to indicate that was the actual size.--- I'm Spartacus!  NO! I'm Spartacus! 18:57, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I have gone to several websites including Tmyers.com and Balloonhq.com and these sources both seem to imply this was the sizes. Art_Student_8

Balloons are measured in inches a 260 is "approximately" 2 inches in diameter and 60 inches in length. I have been twisting for over 25 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.28.180 (talk) 04:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Credit for work
I gave a name to link the balloon artist who made a multiple display (The one from Waukesha) but I have not been able to find out the name of the twister from Vienna. Should we not try to make every effort to give their names? The Waukesha, Wisconsin artist had no idea that his image was on here and did not give consent to have his photo here without his name being attached. Some other balloon artist, in his area, could take credit for his work as the artist is not seen in the photo. Art_Student_8 —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Credit can go to them, but it goes on the page where the picture is stored. We don't need to (or want to) "give credit" everytime a picture is used on a specific page.  So the place to put the artist name is where the image is stored unless the artist him/herself is notable and worthy of specifically identifying (ala a Don Caldwell, Larry Moss, Ralph Dewey, etc.)  If we let every artist put their name on the page, it would be a form of spam and people would start inserting their images so that it gets the additional hits and implies and endorsement from WP.--- Balloonman  Poppa Balloon 02:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know any of the people you are naming. Balloon people? The artist in this case is not using the name that was posted for commercial name. He uses Half Twisted/Half Knot. If you do not give credit to artists for their work you are allowing other people to steal images from here and put them on their sites and claim credit for the artists work. I agree we should not use company, stage or other commercial names but why not give the artist credit for their work? In this case the artist was not aware his images were being used and only requests his name be attached or the images being removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art student 8 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * But we do give credit to the artist when we know it. But the credit goes on the page where the image is stored. Pick any image on Wikipedia and click on it.  It will take you to the page where the image is stored and it will give you the rationale and justification for the images use.  If there is an artist/photographer associated with the art (and that identity is known) THAT is where the artist/photographer information goes.  By including the artist name on the article on Balloon Modelling, it becomes a form of spam.  Unless the artist is notable and worthy of a Wikipedia article in their own right, then the artist name generally doesn't belong on this page. (And there are probably only a handful of twisters who deserve WP articles.)
 * The problem that PJL has is that he let the image stay here for a year after learning about it (based upon your words.) Again it isn't worth fighting about; but if what you claim is true, the the artist has possibly lost control over this image because he didn't defend his copyright when he became aware of the infringement.  Also, if this image is NOT one the artist took or if the artist doesn't have the rights to the image, then it doesn't matter if it is the artist work.  The image has been deleted, it's not worth the fight.--- Balloonman  Poppa Balloon 14:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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