Talk:Banja Luka incident

Aircraft ID
Please, go to the discussion page about the Super Galeb. There is documented evidence confirming that the Serb aircraft involved in this incident were actually J-21 Jastreb. DagosNavy 00:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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Formatting
The page's formatting is all messed up. Please fix it. Isopropyl (talk) 19:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

npov
This page gives a very one-sided view on this military confrontation: It is fully written from the American perspective, The tone is also less fro neutral (vectored, bingo fuel, the brand names of the missiles (which were the brands of the bombs dropped by the Serbs?), pilot nicknames).

Also, the title "Banja Luka incident" is npov; Banja luka is a city with 350.000 people where a lot of things happen. That in 1994 there was a air battle approx 60km southwest of the town, which happened to involve some americans, doesnt justify to call it Banja Luka incident. 9/11 isnt called the new york incident, and that in fact happened in the center of town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extrastart1 (talk • contribs) 07:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, do you have a better name to call this incident? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 00:11, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, propose separately if a new title is warranted Mike Cline (talk) 23:55, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

– As mentioned above, the titles of these two articles, although they sound catchy, are not luckily chosen, and seem to represent a USAF-bias ("how to pronounce Mrkonjic"). I'd be happy with any other title which does not brink on a WP:POVTITLE. As a side note, a few articles on shot down local planes would be welcome to balance things out... Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Stratoprutser (talk) 14:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Banja Luka incident → Airfight in north-west Bosnia on 28 February, 1994
 * Mrkonjić Grad incident → Downing of NATO plane in north-west Bosnia on June 2, 1995
 * Support ...the term Banja Luka incident in GBooks refers to something which happened on the ground. See Lloyd J. Matthews The Future of the American Military Presence in Europe - Page 28 - 2000 "The Banja Luka incident demonstrated that if peacekeeping forces have mobility, information superiority, interoperability, and sublethal means of engagement, they can win in situations where nobody even knows there's been a fight." In ictu oculi (talk) 13:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As for the second, I see en.wp's neologism "Created page with 'The Mrkonjić Grad incident, June 2, 1995, was an incident in which a Bosnian Serb Army SA-6 surface-to-air missile shot down a USAF F-16 near .." was picked up by a book in 2009. It is still evidently a wikipedia-created term with no reliable source. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose; both proposed names comprehensively fail WP:COMMONNAME and are deeply implausible search terms. Won't somebody think of the readers? I could be open to some other new name which is actually used by sources. bobrayner (talk) 11:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, any other name will do, what would the readers like? In fact the Mrkonjic Grad one is more about the downing and the following rescue attempts, and the Banja Luka one is about a serious beach of the no fly zone. So there should be titles possible? Inspiration here-- Stratoprutser (talk) 12:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment I have to agree with bobrayner—the proposed titles are quite unwieldy. What do reliable sources call these incidents? --BDD (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, they don't. There is no "name". At least Banja Luka airfight, Mrkonjić Grad airfight would be better than "incident" per WP:PRECISION. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That does seem like an improvement. It's very difficult to imagine someone searching for the proposed names above. --BDD (talk) 17:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Close these two incidents should be proposed separately, since the target naming could each separately use discussion -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment on date format: there should not be a comma between "28 February" and "1994", that's no valid wiki date format. Also, should the format not be consistent between these articles? HandsomeFella (talk) 16:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I have suggested a merge of one of these articles at Talk:Scott O'Grady. DrKiernan (talk) 19:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


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