Talk:Battle of Gravia Inn

PLEASE
there are 120 fighter greek and they on the war to 8000 soldiers.It couldn't be.It's a lie.Ottoman soldiers were great and we know a war that 10 ottoman soldier to 50 greek fighters.We killed 10 men and get 40 men.Please don't look only greek books or web pages.The know only how could they get better than turks??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.245.148.68 (talk) 18:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * 1. Learn how to speak and communicate in the English language.

2. Learn how to count. 3. Take another look at the photo of the monument, and count the number of Greek fighters. You'll find that there are less than 120 on the plaque.

I'm reverting the change. 220.239.137.45 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

What a funny article
8000 vs. 120! Maybe Turks didn't use their hands in the fight or all the Ottoman army were asleep or all the Greek fighters were 100 feet tall or Greeks used Ak-47s or Leonidas came to fight or Greek used cheat codes. At that time its nearly impossible to win even 3 times bigger army. Maybe its possible at ancient era. Everybody know that The Winners Write The History but please dont exaggerate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.229.139 (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Winners don't write history - historians write history. Plutarch was hardly a 'winner.' That aside, what do the scholarly Reliable Sources state? 50.111.46.61 (talk) 15:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, 8000 vs. 120
The only funny thing about this article is the sheer inability of some people to accept historical facts. This battle happened just like this, and it has been historically recorded as such and has also been subject to revision by more knowledgeable people than you or I. Learn to respect history, and don't dismiss it because it might not agree with your perception of military strategy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.69.65.222 (talk) 15:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Rifles were not automatic back then, this information does not make much sense. how did 120 men carry over 1000 rounds, there were no ammo cartridges back then. This seems like folk lore, not real history and should be labeled as such — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.53.194.9 (talk) 04:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Greeks won the battle because they fortified in a inn. The Turkish cannons were on Lamia, miles away from the battle. Thats how 120 Greeks beat 8,000 Turks in a single day. They were inside a building. What you think the Turks should do? Break down the walls with their hands? It's so simple...

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Italian translation
I've just partially translated some parts of this article, link: it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_della_Taverna_di_Gravia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cossato (talk • contribs) 17:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

the numbers are true fiction
The article must be rewritten with uptodate historians. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 18:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. Paroulakis is far from being a trustworthy source on the matter, let alone being use as the single source.Greece666 (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You've made a claim that Paroulakis is not a Reliable Source. Support your claim via some scholarly review. 50.111.46.61 (talk) 16:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Article corrected
I added references from the Stratiotic History books-magazines and the part 151 of these books-magazines has an article for the Battle of Gravia. This article is based on various of reliable sources, including Vakalopoulos, Papparigopoulos, Trikoupis, Kokkinos, G.Finlay and Karl Mendelssohn-Bartholdy so I believe it's a reliable source for the Wikipedia article. CorvusSaber (talk) 13:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You have to give the title of the article and the name of its author.--Phso2 (talk) 21:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Very well, I shall do it and in the rest of the articles that I added this source.CorvusSaber (talk) 22:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Historical accuracy of the Ottoman flag (The five-pointed star didn't appear until the 1840s)
I made all my changes for historical accuracy. The five-pointed-star flag was used after 1844. Read the information in Flags of the Ottoman Empire: "The five pointed star did not appear until the 1840s." (Marshall, Tim (2017-07-04). A Flag Worth Dying For: The Power and Politics of National Symbols. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 978-1-5011-6833-8.) The star and crescent flag was never used in the 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th centuries, and most of the 18th century. "...the flag was defined as red by decree in 1793 and an eight-pointed star was added." (Publishing, D. K. (2009-01-06). Complete Flags of the World. Penguin. ISBN 978-0-7566-5486-3. Marshall, Tim (2017-07-04). A Flag Worth Dying For: The Power and Politics of National Symbols. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 978-1-5011-6833-8.) Also about the Ottoman red flag: "According to Rıza Nur, sultan Selim I (1512-20) had a white personal flag, while the Ottoman Army flag was red (kızıl bayrak). During Süleyman I's reign (1520-66) the janissaries had a white flag while the timariot cavalry had a red flag. It was used as the Ottoman civic and merchant flag from 1793 to 1923." (Jane Hathaway (1 February 2012) A Tale of Two Factions: Myth, Memory, and Identity in Ottoman Egypt and Yemen, SUNY Press, ISBN 978-0-7914-8610-8) - Aybeg (talk) 06:57, 5 September 2020 (UTC)