Talk:Bebop scale

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The bebop scale is an important scale for jazz improvisers so I thought I'd add this page. If anyone knows how to create nice musical notation on a PC please let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Midwestmax (talk • contribs) 00:57, 1 October 2006

Attribution
Did David Baker himself invent the terminology used here ("bebop scale", etc.)? If we can track down who did, I think it would help greatly to mention it within the article. TheScotch 07:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Additional citations
Why, what, where, and how does this article need additional citations for verification? Hyacinth (talk) 02:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tag removed. Hyacinth (talk) 01:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Bebop Dorian
The definition of the Bebop Dorian scale in this article follows the definition by David Baker, which makes sense since he coined the term, but it's not the only definition, and he might have been mistaken. Another definition floating around is adding the passing tone between the minor seventh and the root instead of between the minor third and the eleventh. That definition places the chord tones (root, minor third, fifth, and minor seventh) on the same part of the beat (up beat or down beat) and the passing tones on the other part of the beat, which helps define the chord rhythmically. The David Baker definition breaks that rhythmic alignment, accenting pitches that define the related V7 chord instead of the ii-7 chord it is supposedly played over. It's likely (personal opinion) that the real jazz soloists David Baker was listening to when he wrote his book were actually thinking of a measure containing a ii-7 V7 progression as simply a measure of V7, which would be easier at blazing tempos, and were playing the Bebop Dominant scale through the whole measure, causing David Baker to misinterpret it as two scales (with the same pitches) because the lead sheet said it was two chords. When played over "modal" type tunes with extended sections of the same chord, where your ear has a chance to absorb it, it becomes obvious that the Bebop Dorian scale as defined by David Baker doesn't define the chord well, and the other definition works better. A jazz lover 199.189.86.27 (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Harmonic minor
Re: "The bebop harmonic minor scale is derived from the harmonic minor scale and has a chromatic passing tone (an additional ♭7) between the 6th and the 7th notes."

This makes no sense. You can't have a single "chromatic passing tone" between two notes that are more than a major second apart. TheScotch (talk) 12:43, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

The bebop dominant scale is notated in a way that does not agree with the description of the scale
The notation shows a minor 6th (Ab). If the scale was indeed made up of notes contained in the Ionian scale and the Mixolydian scale, there would be a major 6th (A) rather than a minor 6th (Ab). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.3.214 (talk) 07:46, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

bebop dominant = mixolydian??
Why is it said that the "bebop dominant" scale is derived from the mixolydian? To me it looks it is the ionian (C-Major) scale with a minor 7th added.