Talk:Bellarmine University/Archive 1

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Cleanup needed
Recently I reassessed the article from a B to C Class, frankly it needs work and some TLC. To get the cleanup started I recently added references for some of the info and placed citation needed tags, there's a lot of info on the article that is informative and useful but needs sources. I also placed expansion needed tags on some of the sections that are a little light on info. For more help on what info to include, see the article structure section of College and university article guidelines. Thanks and happy editing! Bhockey10 (talk) 05:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

pronunciation
Can't tell what this is supposed to mean:

— kwami (talk) 03:16, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I definitely can't read or write IPA, but the way I hear it pronounced locally is BELL - er - mun, where the last syllable rhymes with "fun". Does that help? Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 13:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's probably close enough. But like "fun", or like the last syllable of "vitamin"? Or are they the same for you? — kwami (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * They're largely the same where I'm from, but I think it's probably more like "vitamin". Sometimes it's hard to distinguish. Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 13:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. That's what we have now. — kwami (talk) 13:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Paid Editor
I am an intern at Bellarmine University and will be editing their Wikipedia page. I am getting paid to do this, but I will adhere to the proper policies and guidelines dealing with Conflict of Interest and Neutral Point of View. Dbilodeau (talk) 14:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, contributors with a COI are strongly discouraged from directly editing articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * please do not directly edit the article but instead, offer suggestions here on the talk page. if you look at the bottom of the beige box at the top of this page, you will see a section with a big exclamation point by it, that says "Individuals with a conflict of interest on the subject of this article are strongly advised not to edit the article directly. Click here to request corrections or suggest content." If you click where it says "click here" the wikipedia software will format an "edit request" where you can write in the changes you would like to see.  Independent editors can then review the changes and if they are OK, implement them.  (In Wikipedia as in most scholarly projects, COI is managed two ways.  The first is disclosure, which you have done. The second is peer review.  The "edit request" system allows the peer review to take place).  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I might add to what Jytdog has said that if you have large-scale edits/rewrites of sections to propose, you might compose them in your user space, then ask for a review of what you've composed. I did that with an article where I didn't exactly have a direct COI, but I held an unpopular minority viewpoint regarding the topic. You can create a user space page with almost any name by editing User:Dbilodeau/Some name here. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 15:27, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you guys for the help! Dbilodeau (talk) 14:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 28 May 2015
I want to add a section for Centro, the newest building on campus. Could someone review it for me? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dbilodeau/Bellarmine_Centro Thanks Dbilodeau (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Although the sources cited are reliable, I can't help but feel WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON might be in play a little bit here. Is there a compelling reason to add this information prior to the building's completion? Acdixon (talk · contribs) 15:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I felt the same way. It hasn't been built yet, so it's possible the current facts may not actually be correct when built. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What if I simplified it a bit more. Like just the square footage, three story, to be completed in 2016? Or just wait until it's completed next year? Dbilodeau (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I concur with the two responses above. While there are circumstances (Olympics) where we talk about events in the future, we generally do not and this falls into the category of future events that should not be discussed until they occur. I suggest waiting until the building is complete.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  13:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 3 June 2015
Obviously, the academic section needs expansion. Here is what I think should be added to the School of Communication section. Thanks! Dbilodeau (talk) 17:23, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI, the inclusion of a reference other than the school itself is a critical part of my decision to enact this request

Request edit on 7 June 2015
More expansion to the academics section. Please review and let me know your thoughts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dbilodeau/School_of_Environmental_Science


 * okay I don't like the phrase "was made into". I'd like to see a bit of an expansion for example:
 * Bellarmine had an environmental studies major within fill in name of school which was expanded in 2013 to become a separate school:the School of Environmental Studies
 * I'm guessing at the details, can you take another stab at this? (Ping me when that happens, and I'll take another look)-- S Philbrick (Talk)  13:45, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah I was wrestling with the phrasing of that. I couldn't find any sources of where the major used to be. I'm guessing it was in the College of Arts and Sciences, but I don't want to put it in there with no citation. I changed "was made into" to "upgraded." I think it sounds better, but if more changes need to be added let me know. Thanks! Dbilodeau (talk) 16:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 26 June 2015
I'd like to add Frank L. Schmidt to "Notable Alumni" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dbilodeau/Frank_L_Schmidt Dbilodeau (talk) 14:52, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


 * would you mind looking over this? Dbilodeau (talk) 14:55, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

I partially completed this edit. Inclusion of the name is straightforward, as he qualifies as a notable person. I did not include the references; it is, in general, not necessary to include references for addition of a notable person. By definition there is an entry on that person elsewhere in Wikipedia which ought to be supported by references. I did not check to see if these references were included in the article about Frank. If they are not they probably should be included. I do note that most of the entries on this page do have references. I believe that is not the usual practice. I don't think it hurts but I don't think it's required. If you have a strong feeling about including references I'll ask you to do some homework to see if this issue has been discussed. I'm sure there has been discussion of the inclusion of notable people, most of which says that notable people must have their own article. I don't recall any discussion of the inclusion or exclusion of references.

The second issue is how much information about the individual should be included in the entry. My opinion is that the entry should include the name and enough information to identify some important fact about the person probably related to the reason they are notable. I suspect that many Nobel Prize winners who are included as notable people on their associated University have mention of the Nobel Prize. I am sure there are other awards that are commonly mentioned. I don't know the we as a community have had a discussion about which are appropriate to include and which are not appropriate to include. If I were to weigh in, I might suggest that awards such as the Nobel Prize that are well known by most individuals are appropriate while others should be excluded. Obviously, just to be clear, the award belongs on the article about the individual. The question is whether the award belongs on the entry on the University. In my opinion it does not. Again, if you would like to do some research and find that my belief about common practice is in error, I'll investigate further.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  16:14, 26 June 2015 (UTC) ✅


 * For the references, there used to be a banner that said "this section does not reference any sources. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed" so I added citations to all that I could find. However, that banner is now gone. I'm guessing that was you. And after thinking about the award thing, I agree. I will research further though. Thank you for your feedback. It is greatly appreciated

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Request Edit on March 30 2017
Requesting an edit (or information on how I can do) to the Recent History to reflect the Feb. 21, 2017 announcement of the new University President, Dr. Susan Donovan. Information can be found at the press release here. ACredibleLie (talk) 14:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Requesting edit to the Colleges and Schools section to reflect on February 28, 2017 the Board has approved the creation of the College of Health Professionals, which will contain The Donna and Allan Lansing School of Nursing and Clinical Sciences, will house the academic departments of nursing, respiratory therapy, medical laboratory sciences and radiation therapy, and the The School of Movement and Rehabilitation Sciences will house the academic departments of exercise science, athletic training and physical therapy. More information can be found at the press release located here ACredibleLie (talk) 15:41, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I am reluctant to add any more content to this article based on sources connected to the subject (Bellarmine University) as the article currently has too much of a problem with that. Might you have any third-party sources (e.g., from news media) I can utilize?  Also, is there anything in particular that prevents you from making the changes (e.g., WP:COI)?  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 16:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I do not understand why an official press release is not a valid source of information especially when the source is a well-respected academic institution. I do not have a conflict of interest. I am not employed by, studying under, volunteering at, or acting under any influence other than my own. Wave3 News, an NBC affiliate posted an article with the same information as in the previous link. Your page says you are from Louisville. Are you incapable of cross-referencing local news media? Again, there is no conflict of interest. I was hesitant based on the following criteria: 1. Previous edits regarding similar information have been reverted. 2. If you noticed, I have not used wikipedia in this capacity (editing, etc) for 7 years. I am unsure of the ways and means, do's and don'ts, and markdown formatting. ACredibleLie (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Because the article is littered with Bellarmine sources already, and we need to be using third-party sources. This applies to all articles in the Wikipedia.  As for my capabilities, yes I could use my valuable time to poke around for sources and add the requested material, but this is a WP:VOLUNTEER site, and we are not working on a WP:DEADLINE.  If you are very interested in adding this material, and it seems that you are and that you also care about the subject likely due to similar proximity, feel free to do it yourself.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 10:20, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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For consideration: updates and notes on outdated content
This note is from the university so we are not making direct edits, but rather noting them for the Wikipedia editing community. It's worth noting that the neutrality flag on the page appears outdated and is worth review.

Introduction & Fact Box

“five doctoral programs” -- update to six Source: https://www.bellarmine.edu/admissions/graduate/

“At its 2011 commencement...” -- delete as outdated.

Wrong logo in fact box Source: https://www.bellarmine.edu/brand-standard/university-logo/

Fact box enrollment info is outdated Source: https://reports.ky.gov/t/CPE/views/KentuckyPostsecondaryEducationInteractiveDataDashboard/Enrollment?%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3AshowVizHome=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y

Athletic affiliation info in fact box is outdated Add MAC (source: https://getsomemaction.com/sports/2014/6/28/GEN_0628142517.aspx?path=football) Delete ECAC (source: https://ecacsports.com/sports/2016/4/28/D1_Members.aspx?path=gen)

History

The 2005 strategic plan was sunsetted upon completion in 2017 (source: https://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2017/08/30/how-bellarmine-raised-more-that-100-million.html). The article could shift to focusing on outcomes, while also focusing on the new strategic plan, launched in 2019 (sources: https://www.bellarmine.edu/strategic-plan/ and https://www.bellarmine.edu/news/archives/2019/05/15/trustees-approve-new-bellarmine-strategic-plan/). So far, accomplishments include moving the athletics program to join lacrosse in NCAA Division I, a priority that came to fruition in 2020. (source: https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2019/06/19/bellarmines-move-ncaa-division-and-its-impact-students/1498541001/).

This sentence is missing a time element: Growth at the university includes 20 new academic programs, a 60% increase in full-time enrollment and a 56% increase in the number of residential students.

Academics

Consider adding the following missing descriptions: Donna and Allan Lansing School of Nursing and Health Sciences The Lansing School is home to undergraduate programs in nursing, medical laboratory science, respiratory therapy and radiation therapy, as well as online graduate programs in nursing and health sciences. Source: https://www.bellarmine.edu/lansing/

School of Movement and Rehabilitation Sciences The School of Movement and Rehabilitation Sciences houses the academic departments of exercise science, athletic training and physical therapy. Source: https://www.bellarmine.edu/movement/

School of Continuing and Professional Studies Bellarmine’s School of Continuing and Professional Studies offers a variety of stimulating professional development and non-credit courses, designed to provide intellectual, cultural, personal enrichment and professional development for learners of all ages. Source: https://www.bellarmine.edu/ce/

Campus Facilities

Add the word “be” to this sentence. Stations of the Cross can (be) seen etched into the walls of the chapel.

Norton Health Science Center The animal holding facility reference is outdated and could be removed

Siena Complex The focus on this complex ignores the university’s other residence halls and contains outdated references to the buildings not being complete. We suggest adding: Kennedy & Newman Halls Anniversary Hall Petrik Hall Descriptions are available here: https://www.bellarmine.edu/livingoncampus/

Knights Hall The venue is also home to men’s wrestling (source: https://athletics.bellarmine.edu/sports/2009/9/8/Knights%20Hall.aspx)

Other elements from that source site worth consideration include: A current capacity of 2,196 The Bellarmine men’s basketball team won back-to-back NCAA Division II Midwest Regional Tournaments in 2011 and 2012 at Knights Hall, and then again in 2015 and 2017. The women’s basketball team hosted the NCAA Division II Great Lakes Regional Tournament in the venue in 1986 and 1990, both of which were won by the Knights. In December 2010, Knights Hall played host to the quarterfinal, semifinal, and national championship matches of the NCAA Division II Women’s Volleyball Championship. Concordia-St. Paul defeated Tampa in four sets to capture their fourth consecutive volleyball title. Additional speakers in the venue include Salman Rushdie (2005), Bob Woodward (2007), and Wendell Berry (2007).

Athletics

Bellarmine sponsors four sports that are not sponsored by the ASUN: Wrestling (Southern Conference), Field Hockey (Mid-American Conference) and men's and women's swimming (Coastal Collegiate Sports Association). source: footer at https://athletics.bellarmine.edu/

The Bellarmine Co-Ed Cheer Team also landed a national title in 2019, taking the "Intermediate Small CoEd Division II" competition of the National Cheerleaders Association. source: https://athletics.bellarmine.edu/news/2019/4/5/cheerleading-bellarmine-cheer-captures-programs-first-national-championship.aspx

Honorary Societies – consider adding:

Alpha Mu Gamma National Collegiate Foreign Language Honor Society Alpha Psi Omega National Theatre Honor Society Chi Omega Lambda Honor Society for Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Phi Alpha Theta National History Honor Society Phi Sigma Tau National Philosophy Honor Society Pi Sigma Alpha Political Science Honor Society Psi Chi International Honor Society in Psychology Theta Alpha Kappa National Honor Society for Religious Studies & Theology

Notable People: We recommend considering the following for addition to the alumni list: Susan Diamond, CFO of Humana (listed under “key people” at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humana John Lansing, President and CEO of NPR (listed under “key people” at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR Bishop William Medley, Bishop of Owensboro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Medley) Chris Morris, Master Distiller of Woodford Reserve (listed as Master Distiller at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodford_Reserve) William “Bill” Mudd, President and COO of Churchill Downs Inc (https://www.churchilldownsincorporated.com/leadership/executive-management/) Brandon Connor Pfaadt, professional baseball pitcher for the Arizona Diamondbacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Diamondbacks_minor_league_players#Brandon_Pfaadt) Dillon James Ward, professional lacrosse player (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dillon_Ward)

External links -- consider adding:

Official athletics website - http://buknights.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.49.246.2 (talk) 19:01, 7 January 2022 (UTC)