Talk:Beyoncé/Archive 1

Journalist 8 July 2005 22:37 (UTC)
Beyonce highest note is a D6 and her octave range is a 6, very close to Mariah Carey, she isn't overated at all people just say that becasue they are haters, and they know beyonce can out sing their favorites, so stay pressed haters , the beyhive is still by her side. I dont know if she can go any higher. If you listen to her, you see that she does not sound strained or anything when she sings this D6 note, so I think she could go higher; If this really was the top of her range, the notes would probably be weaker. On the other hand, its true what another person said. If you say E6, then you might want to say F6-G6-A6-B6-C7-D7 etc. Since its her 'highest recorded note', or 'highest heard note', you will have to leave it at D6 until she demonstrates that she can sing higher. I love beyonce to death (look at my page by clicking here), but she cannot sing A2. That note is 'reserved' for singers like Toni Braxton or Mariah Carey etc. The lowest she can go is C3. In the song 'She cant love you' or 'DIL', she hits the E3 or was it D3 (not sure), but you can listen and realise that she was using the absolute bottom end of her range. If she went any deeper, she would sound strained. Remember, range isnt simply the notes you can hit, its the compass of notes at which you can sing effectively and comfortably.
 * Well since you know so much about music you should also know that that series of notes should have been F6-G6-A7-B7-C7-D7 etc., since the piano begins on A1. Also, that was an E6 that Beyonce recorded in "Happy Face." And it makes more sense for vocal range to be the entire span of notes that a vocalist can hit. Otherwise they would have notes that they can hit that are outside their "range." Jdot01 19:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Unknown User
C3-E6 is 3 octaves and 3 notes so her range is 3.3 octaves why do people keep on changing it to 3.5?


 * Journalist says
 * I am the one who keeps changing it to 3.5 octaves. I always put 'approximately 3.5 octaves' to show that it is not an exact measure. If 8 notes = 1 octave, how can 3 notes be .3 octaves?


 * C3-E6 is 3&3/8 octaves. Its closer to 3.4 octaves than 3.3 octaves and because we do not know exactly what is her range, a good estimate is 4 octaves. If you really look at it, you would see that if she sang 1 more note, she would have full 4 octaves. If people keep altering and vandalizing the Vocal profile, it stands a good chance of being deleted from the article!

But there is 7 notes in one octave

ex. C1 D1 E1 F1 G1 A1 B1 = 1 octave

Actually, there are 8 notes in 1 octave, hence the name OCTave. Example C1, D1, E1, F1, G1, A1, B1, C2 is one octave. If you were still counting, you would then begin at C2 and then count to the next C on the piano and so forth (from C1-C2 is 1 octave, C2-C3 is another octave). I suggest that you read the "octave" article and you will understand. And to reiterate, if the 'vocal profile' is altered incessantly, it could be deleted from the main article!
 * Correction
 * Journalist 21:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Her Album Sales
The article says Dangerously in love has been sold 13 million worldwide - I think it may be incorrect cause many sources says that her solo sold about 7.5 million.
 * That seems more accurate. The chances of her debut album being able to sell 13 million copies worldwide nowadays is highly unlikely. Perhaps worldwide sales tallies should just be left out until someone can provide a source to go along with them. - Triggy
 * Are you sure about that Triggy? According to an article I read on BeyonceWorld, DIL sold in excess of 9 million copies worldwide. Doesn't that figure seem to make sense? After all, we all know for a fact that it was 4x platinum in the US and worldwide sales are usually a good bit more than double US sales. J2rome 6 July 2005 03:52 (UTC)

Also, according to the page "List of best-selling music artists", the average Worldwide/US album sales ratio is 2.99. If you multiply 4 million by 2.99 you would get 11.96, and I know it's not that high but it furthers the argument that it must be more than 7.5 million. J2rome 6 July 2005 07:59 (UTC)
 * Beyonce is not that big outside the U.S. Same with Christina Aguilera,her debut has been sold 8 million U.S. and just more than 4 outside U.S. The average Worldwide/US Christina debut album sales ratio is 1.5
 * Her Label ( Sony/BMG Music ) said, in april 2004 (9 or 10 months after "Dangerously In Love" was released), that her album just sold 7 millions of copies, with 8 ( or more ) platinum certifications around the world. Since then i think the album sold more than 8 millions, because DIL still strong in some charts around the world even this year, and now, with 2 years of life, "Dangerously In Love" album just have more than 8 millions of copies sold, with 9 or 10 platinum certifications ( what means copies sold by some people in the media, but in real is the number of copies shipped how you all knows).

Miscelleneous
66.8.251.70

beyonce is the hottest female artist that i know of. baby boy drives me crazy anytime i listen to the song.

I wonder if B. K. is truly afro-american? I mean in some photos she looks white enough to be herrenvolk! Maybe she follows the footsteps of pop king Jacko to albino-dom. Hope her ass won't fall off just like Jacko's nose, though she shakes it so intensively, that I am really worried.

I deleted the final paragraph under "Controversy" because of its non-neutral POV. Something about Beyonce's distinguishing traits could be added, but not in that way (something about a "mesmerizsing look" she gives men, according to the writer).--66.8.251.70 02:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Deleted following paragraph, 9 Feb 2005:

"One should note however that Beyoncé's main skill is none of the above, but her ability to give guys a truly mesmerizing look. One that makes men unable to think or make sound judgement about her. Beyoncé observation (even via TV screen) does cause dependence and sensory isolaton, especially in teenagers."

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:05, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vocal Profile
I found that in happy face she hits an E6 not a D6. I recorded it on my musebook tuner.


 * i agree with Journalist cause i think you know what you talkin bout. 3.5 octaves sounds right because based on the notes recorded and heard, she has APPROXIMATELY that range. Maybe later we'll see just how high she can go.

I don't know who the above are, but I'm afraid that this all counts as original research, and can't be included. If there are citable sources, then the information can go back in, of course. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 10:32, 18 July 2005

That doesn't really signify, though, as the notes themselves are the original research. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:24, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As per the policy on No original research, I will be removing the contested "Vocal Profile" section until someone can manage to WP:CITE an official external source for this artists vocal capabilities. Hall Monitor 16:21, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, dont get me wrong but, if a controversy story can get an space in the main page of the article, i dont see the problem in the thoughs of the people about her vocal ability getting space in the main page too. you see, the thoughs of the people about it, making changes every time, its so unoffcial as and controversy story about the artist. this was an radical decision that just made the beyonce´s page lost info, and contested info, ok, but its too contested like many of other things in the whole article.


 * I'm not sure that I understand all of this, but it misses the point. The "vocal profile" section goes against a specific and clearly stated Wikipedia policy that prohibits original research.  You seem to be saying that another part of the article is unacceptable for another reason; if you're right, then that's reason for removing it, not for including this. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 10:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

C3-E6 is 3 octaves and 3 notes

 * C3-E6 is 3 octaves(C3-C6) + 2 notes(D6-E6) which is 3.3 noy 3.4 or 3.5


 * Actually C3-E6 is 3 octaves and 3 notes. C3-C6 is 3 octaves, then you say C6, D6, E6 (3 NOTES). You start counting from the last note where the preceeding octave ends. Remember, when counting, youll say C5 D5 E5 F5 G5 A5 B5 C6 D6 E6 F6 G6 A6 B6 C7.


 * FROM C5-C6 IS ONE OCTAVE, THEN C6-C7 IS ANOTHER! THE 'C6' COUNTS AS THE LAST NOTE FOR THE 5th OCTAVE AND THE FIRST NOTE FOR THE 6TH. So when you reach C6 for beyonce, you would start again at C6 and say 'C6, D6, E6'. I know its coufusing, but DO YOU UNDERSTAND?


 * Journalist 23:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * What you're saying is right but you're explaining it wrong. In the example you gave, the C5 and the C6 are endpoints of the octave. An octave is the series of notes in between one given note and another note that emits either double or half the frequency when struck on a piano. C6 emits double the frequency of C5, so every note in between that would be an octave. Since we're talking about Beyonce's range, I can describe it this way. Her lowest note is actually a D2 from "Bills, Bills, Bills" and her highest was an E6 from "Happy Face," but to find the octave you must first use the next D (a D3) and then the next (D4), then D5, and D6, which makes four octaves and then E6 makes one note extra. So, our final answer is 4 + ⅛, which equals 4.1.

November 1, 2006: More archives
The next several sections contain discussions from late 2005 through early 2006. Several comments are unsigned, but the authors can be found using the Talk page history. Lawikitejana 21:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

GET A LIFE
What the hell is all this RIAA, you are wrong, it sold 11 million, not 4-million copied, check your facts sh*t??? Who cares? Are you getting any of this money? No, so get a life people!

Pictures
I do not like how Beyonce looks in this article. The first picture looks sleazy. It needs to be changed. This is her biography.

-> funny, I thought the picture didn't look sleazy enough. It should be sleazier to reflect her personality.

If your referring to some songs like naughty girl being sleazy is not true. She is a grown up, beautiful, single woman and is entitled to feelings like that with boys. Most woman will experience that sometime, it's natural and it's not like she will just take any cheap guy. She's only referring to one guy, she is a nice woman.
 * OK, no one's POV opinion on her personal character matters to the article. If you find images that are licensed under GFDL and seem appropriate to the article, then add them where you believe they fit best. Be prepared to stay out of edit wars if the rest of the community disagrees. Simple as that. Lawikitejana 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Name
"Knowles is usually referred to by her first name only, Beyoncé, which is now her stage name, but has come to be called Beyoncé Knowles by many in the media."

I was thinking the shortening to just the first name was something that came later. Everyking 03:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Say what?
"In the same year, Beyoncé was Punk'd by Ashton Kutcher just a couple of minutes after ruining Christmas at Universal Studios Hollywood." - ya... she can ruin my Christmas anytime. :P Seriously, I can't make out what this sentence is trying to say... - 211.30.179.151 12:44, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Complete Nonsense
"Knowles is known for her vocal telent. She was voted in 2006 the best voice ever. Her voice is Alto at lowest and a top Soprano. Beyonce voice is #1, Whitney Houst voice was #2, Mariah Carey was #3, Chaka Khan was #4, Patti Labelle was #5, and Christina Agulara was #6. She made a record for hitting the highest and longest note ever in history passing Mariah Carey's record. Beyonce voice has a dark ton when its low but when its high she proves to be the best female vocalist ever in music history."

I want to see citations for any of this, and secondly I'm removing "best female vocalist in music history" because that is an opinion and not even a believable opinion at that. --BlueKangaroo 01:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Vocal Capabilities
Yeah they need to be added again. and also I've heard rumors about G(#)6's and all that but the D6 in emotions is not her highest RECORDED note. In "Happy Face" as in on the album she hits an E6. The rumors of the G6 were in the same song but live so I'm not sure. I've noticed for all the artist who had the "Vocal capabilities" section it was taken off.67.181.94.96 00:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Why has everyone's vocal profile been taken out they were good. Bring them back please

Please cite a source before putting them in. The section about "dramatic soprano" also needs a source. Oran  e    (t)   (c)   (e)  22:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

can someone write true informationa bout beyonce's vocal ability not just an srticle from a fan site like beyonceworld.com.

The name "Beyoncé"
Her parents decided on a French name, as Tina Knowles, her mother, has Creole ancestry.

Does that mean anything more than "a name with a funny accent on"? Is (was) there actually such a name as Beyoncé? Flapdragon 16:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * there was an unsourced comment that "Beyonce"/"Beyince" is Tina Knowles' maiden name. -- getcrunk   juice  contribs 00:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It is her mom's last same - sort of. Her mom's surname was "Beyince". Check the citation source under "Early Life" - the part about her grandparents - there's an article there that explains it. JackO&#39;Lantern 22:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I think Beyince is made up..unless Tina's family was the only family in America with that name. m~sierra

Her mother's full maiden name is Celestine Ann Beyonce, spelled identically to her first name.   --Fallout boy 08:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
Can someone please explain why there is a cleanup tag on this article when no reason is given on the talk page? -- † Ðy§ep§ion † 07:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Album details
Wheres the album details??? did she go gold, or platinum, diamond or what???

Check On It release
This article says "In December 2005, Beyoncé released a new song, Check On It, featuring Slim Thug. The song is from the Destiny's Child album, #1's and the Pink Panther soundtrack and is Beyoncé's sixth top five hit and third number one." Either this or the Number 1's (Destiny's Child album) page is wrong, because that page says the album #1's was released on 2005-10-25. --Blenda Lovelace 12:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * December 2005 apparently refers to the date the song was released as a single. --FuriousFreddy 13:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

"Beyonce" or "Knowles"?
I noticed that she is referred to in the article as "Beyonce" - despite common encyclopedic convention to refer to people by their surname. Was this done on purpose, because she's mostly known by her "one name", or did someone just make a mistake? Should I change all those lines to "Knowles"? JackO&#39;Lantern 22:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I started to do that myself, but decided it does fall under the "one-name celebs" category. As they say, your mileage may vary ... I don't know that writing "Knowles" would be glaringly inappropriate, as it would be with Madonna or Cher, where it would look really odd).Lawikitejana 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Multiracial Americans?
Do you think this category would be appropriate, considering her mother's family are Creoles? JackO&#39;Lantern 06:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess everyone's a little bit multi-racial.. so yes -- getcrunk   juice  contribs 22:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't put Beyonce in the multiracial category, simply because most Black Americans have some caucasian ancestry. You'd have to add everyone! But maybe if there's some list of guidelines somewhere that outlines how many generations back you're allowed to go before it's too diluted to make you "multiracial," then you could go by that, though I doubt anything like that exists, since racial designations can be, after all, arbitrary, unscientific, and meaningless. But that's a different argument entirely. Nrclptkrkr41 21:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Not really... Most African Americans (over 50 percent and I believe the true approximation is 70%) are pure African but multiracial in the terms of the various African countries they originate from. A study published on PubMed.com on the racial admixture of African Americans is where this research comes from. In the study a lot of African Americans informed the researchers that they had multicultural ancestry- but the genes did not reflect this diversity of origin. Perhaps culturally a lot of African Americans feel compelled to claim European ancestry when in reality they have none. The colonial mentality could be the reason for this. I suspect that a lot of the mixed race Black Americans feel that "all Black people are mixed" because the only Black people they may ever see and interact with are within their historically isolated populations.

So if you mean multiracial as in descended from non African ancestors- then no. Most African Americans certainly do not have Caucasian blood. The study showed that Creoles compose a large part of the multicultural diversity-as most Creoles have Caucasian blood- and without them the mixed race African American population would be even smaller and more isolated than it is today. The belief that African Americans are predominately multicultural is a huge misconception. Perhaps in time this will be the case- but not now. We are a diverse people- city by city you'll see great genetic and cultural differences.

Study the history of African Americans and you'll clearly see that there are a great deal of intra-racial problems that have occurred because of diversity and racial differences within this ethnic group. African Americans with Caucasian ancestry have historically lived in isolation from other African Americans. They were either self imposed to do this or they were forced to due to racism within the Black community. Those who did not do this were regarded as anomalies while growing up because they were such an unfamiliar sight."The Color Complex" by Cathy Russell et Al. can shed some more light on this.

I am in favor of Beyonce being classified as both African American, Creole, or multiracial because she represents a minority within African American diversity. She is one of the many Black entertainers that can have their success attributed to mixed features. Piratescat 06:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize for the misconception. A friend of mine who is an African American Studies major and African American herself had said something like 80% of African Americans whose families have slave origins have at least one caucasian ancestor, and I had heard similar "facts" in the past, though the published studies and books you referenced are more valid than the word of a lay person. Sorry about that. I suppose then Beyonce is multiracial. Thanks for clearing that up. Nrclptkrkr41 05:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Beyonce wouldn't be considered mixed or multiracial. That just the image she makes of herself.. She isn't even Creole. Unless Tina's father was white..she isn't either..she'd be multiracial. A multiracial person is= 1 or both parents are biracial. A Creole is more white than black..example a mulatta mom white dad., the white being French or spanish or a mix of the two...it isn't every light skinned black with a french surname. It's like whites who claim "native" blood..it doesn't count if your grandmother was part..that is too far..that's ethnic cleansing Almost all white Europeans have Asian blood..Indo-European,Celtic so on but they are not seen as mixed or even Asians to anyone..just white lower class whites...while in the black world it's reversed. m~sierra


 * Another Point of View
 * Many Africans that were brought to the New World, too, were already mixed across ethic/racial lines. So, non-negro bloodlines were presence in many since sub-Saharan groups already had experienced years of ethnic fusion with Persian, Arabic, Syrian, Semetic, and Asian groups. You will find lingustic and cultural influences among Indigenous sub-Sarhan Africans of other regions that have existed for eons. This aspect of their societies wasn't the only part of them left behind. So the Caucasian ancestry could have been introduced in one's bloodline way before their African ancestors set foot on American soil. Doesn't mean they showed apparent signs of having caucasian ancestors, either.


 * Also, there I feel there is a difference between being multi-ethnic and multi-racial. Being that most of Beyonce's recent forefather probably identified as either Black or Creole, I'd consider her a multi-ethnic Bi-racial woman who identifies as being Black. However in the singer Vanessa Williams' case, who has a similar blended aesthetic appearance, it has been implied that all of her recent ancestors identified as Black people, despite no being full-blooded sub-Saharan types. I'd consider her a multi-ethnic Black woman due to her distant muli-ethic heritage and her current inherited racial identity.


 * Ancestry By DNA.com is a very informative website. This company was involved in the BBC's 2003 Motherland - A Genetic Journeyproject. It speaks of the fact that since the dawn of man, people have been constantly on the move, evolving, mutating and mixing with one another (in an ethnic/racial sense). They also cover that there are two aspects of race and the concept of race is significanly more complex than it is generally understood and applied by most people. I believe that there are no individuals living today, none, that are not a product of racial or ethnic fusion occuring in the recent or distant past. Relir 16:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Beyoncé is a light skinned Black woman just like her mother, get over it people. [Nita 12:10am CST September 25, 2006]

Hypocracy? I feel that this use of the term Mulatto is not politically correct. I am disturbed that wikipedia.org would apply this terminology when there are so many other non-controversial ethinic descriptions available. There are other living persons notated in wikipedia that state the ethnicity of a person as being multiracial or of mixed race. A "race of black people" were kidnapped and brought to the Americas in chains during the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. In slavery this "race of black people" were treated like cattle or property. If a slave-owner (Caucasian, Dutch, Spanish, etc.)desired sexual relations, [which according to the antibellum social code he would not get from his wife]blatantly went out the to slave cabins and 'took' a slave woman and satisfied himself. This led to the insiduous inbreeding that has produced the mixed race of known as "Mulatto". There are other negative and pejorative terms for this mixed race of peoples [octaroon, quadroon, red, high yellow] High yellow is described in the wikipedia article referenced here-- High Yella or High Yellow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_yellow

To clear up this freudian slip please reference the wikipedia article 'Glossary of terms for multiraciality': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_for_multiraciality it contains a list of non-offensive ethnic descriptions.

For sometime now I have considered wikipedia.org as somewhat of an internet authority. From time to time I refer to this site for personal knowledge and current information. I now question the significance and validity of any information listed here. SxzBlu 09:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Mulatto is not politically correct?? It never bother me.. It's like the term "Native American"..this is only correct to whites us with indian blood call ourselves indian..it's white folks who claim to be offended..the ones who doesn't have enough of that ethnic blood ..the ones who have to tell people or you wouldn't know..who feels the need to fight others who use these words. m~sierra

Beyoncé is a light skinned Black woman just like her mother, get over it people. [Nita 10:59pm CST September 24, 2006]

The human race is one and we have all been interbreeding for centuries. Whenever two races meet a significant minority will interbreed with no necessary ill effects. Indeed what is the American race? What is the European race? The whole concept of race is dubious these days. SmokeyTheFatCat 22:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a whole huge discussion on this issue anywhere on Wikipedia that involves categories or lists of "multiracial" people. You may want to join that discussion (and possibly consider the issue sufficiently raised here &mdash; soon there will be no room to discuss anything else about the article, and we've pretty much gotten off the discussion of these terms as related specifically to Knowles, anyway). Lawikitejana 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced tag
I think that these need to be referenced:

''After singing at local events, they got their break when they entered Star Search. The group, then named "Girl's Tyme", were heartbroken after averaging only three stars (out of a possible four), losing the competition. Matthew Knowles, Beyoncé's father and Rowland's legal guardian, decided to help the girls reach their dreams of becoming singers. He quit his six figure salary job at Xerox to manage the group.''

In 2001, Knowles, without any previous training, turned to acting

''Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland, along with Matthew Knowles, Tina Knowles, and sister Solange Knowles recently announced the formation of the Survivor Foundation, a charitable entity set up for the purpose of providing transitional housing for Hurricane Katrina victims and storm evacuees in the Houston, Texas area. The Survivor Foundation extends the philanthropic mission of the "Knowles-Rowland Center For Youth", a multi-purpose community outreach facility in downtown Houston.''

and the "records" and "voice" section -- getcrunk   juice  contribs 22:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, give me 24 hours and I'll either cite these or restore the tag myself. JackO&#39;Lantern 23:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. I sourced everything you mentioned, but I just couldn't find anything for "Voice", so I'll move it here for now until someone else can.

Voice
Knowles has been classified as a Dramatic Mezzo-Soprano because of the strength and power of her singing voice. She has also been classified as a Full or Wagnerian Soprano due to the ease of her performance in alto, mezzo soprano, and soprano ranges. She is also capable of using high and fast melismas and this technique is a unique feature to her sound. She has been frequently hailed as one of the best contemporary pop singers. In Cove Magazine's countdown of the "100 Most Outstanding Pop Vocals" of all time, she was placed at number #7 (just one place behind Whitney Houston) and given a mark of 48/50 for her vocal capabilities.

Her highest notes are E6 (in her song "Happy Face"); her lowest notes are C3and E3 (while singing "Dangerously In Love" at the 2004 Grammys). Her vocal range is approximately 3.3 octaves (C3-E6). JackO&#39;Lantern 03:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Has nobody got a vocal recorder that allows you to recognise pitch that would somehow make this more official. I mean I'm sure that the notes she produces in the 'live in Atlanta DVD' are higher than stated here.


 * Also could not source this statement: "* With the combined albums and singles of her solo career, she has sold more than 15.5 million records worldwide" JackO&#39;Lantern 03:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * What about her low notes in "Silent Night" from the 8 Days of Christmas album, "She Can't Love You" from The Writing's On The Wall, or "Dot" from the Charlie's Angels soundtrack? To me, they sound lower than anything she's ever done performing "Dangerously In Love." Can anybody give them a listen and decide what those low notes are?

Infobox picture
There are so many more beautiful pictures of Beyonce and I feel that the one in the info box should be changed.
 * I put the picture of her from the Pink Panther set. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tigermichal (talk &bull; contribs).


 * I think that the Pink Panther pic is alright - it's her most recent release of any kind -- getcrunk   juice  contribs 01:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

It's a nice picture. [Nita 4:20pm CST]

I think the recent B'Day promotional photo is unacceptable for an encyclopedia, it's best to bring back the Pink Panther one instead.

Listen
Is Listen number 2 on the Poland chart because it says that in her singles information can someone find out so that it can be released on the Listen (song) page?

What's Going On
The entire article has been vandalized, can someone please fix it. (Tigermichal 00:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC))

Some female must of done that..LOL silly women can't take seeing somebody like Beyonce..she's beautiful to all men...all races. f the haters m~sierra

DC touring with TLC on which album?
Destiny's Child did not tour with TLC before their debut album was released. Because their debut album came out in 1998 Fanmail didn't come out til 1999 (the tour didn't happen til later in 99) and they didn't tour CrazySexyCool. Destiny's Child toured with TLC right after The Writing's on the Wall was released. Please fix this.

List of Beyoncé songs
Is this new article necessary? It is just repeating all the information that is already present in Beyoncé Knowles discography. I think it should just be redirected to her discography article. --Musicpvm 05:02, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think so too. -- getcrunk   juice   16:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I am a big Beyoncé fan and I can't add information because someone who thinks he or she is better deletes it. Mariah Carey has articles like this. If you want to redirected it then don't. Add the information to the discography.


 * Huh? Anyways, I think List of songs by Mariah Carey should be redirected to her discography article as well.  I will start a discussion there.  And about adding the information to Beyonce's discography, all the info in List of Beyoncé songs is already present in Beyoncé Knowles discography. --Musicpvm 22:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I really want Beyonce's b-sides and unreleased songs to have an article. Please change the name of the article to "List of unreleased Beyoncé songs". Charmed36 19 June 2006
 * If there are any unreleased songs or b-sides that aren't already present at Beyoncé Knowles discography, just add them to that article. A second article is unncessary.  Also, I did not "delete" the article.  You can still access older versions if you click on "history"  This is the last version before I redirected it.  Several of the b-sides listed already appear on the "Soundtracks" section of her discography article.  Add those that do not, and if necessary create an "Unreleased songs" section in her discography article, but the list is not long enough to deserve its own article.  --Musicpvm 23:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Sales Correction
Dangerously In Love did NOT sell 11 Million. That recent press release featured an INFLATED amount. Realistically, the album sold about 8.5 Million internationally. In 2004, at the end of the DIL era, the album had sold about 8 Million.


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 * Well I found a source from the Dangerously in Love page: . So eleven million is correct. &mdash; getcrunk    &#63;   21:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Once again, 11 Million is an inflated number. That article is the press release but with minor revision. Record labels inflate sales in press releases and throughout the media because of the current state of the industry.

DIL sold 4.4 Million in the U.S. DIL did not perform as well as it did the states. However, the album did well in major markets such as the U.K., Germany, and Australia. 11 Million just isn't a realistic amount. I'm going to go with the more probable amount of 8.5 Million.


 * See No original research. You need to find up-to-date sources to back up your claim. &mdash; getcrunk   what?!  13:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

According to Beyonceonline Beyonce debut album sold just over 6 mill. copies WW.!!!

Actually... It sold 6 million in 2003... that is what it says on the timeline. I have read other sites stating sales of 14 million +, but I believe 11 million is much more realistic (think about it, it spawned one of the biggest hits "Crazy In Love")

Dangerously in Love 2
I believe that Dangerously in Love 2's article does not need to be merged. It has enough information and more can be added. You take a look. Dangerously in Love 2 7:36 5 July 2006  Charmed36

B'Day Cover
Can anyone confirm this is B'Day album cover? 

14 July 2006 Charmed36

01 01 2007 This is definately not the cover to B-day. Someone should edit this promptly.

Images
YOU GUYS SHOULD PUT HER PICS FROM THE MAGAZINE "GIANT". THEY HAD A PHOTO SHOOT AND THEY SHOWED THEM IN INTOUCH THIS WEEK!!!!! tHERE ARE BETTER PICS THAN THESE208.228.103.48 22:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Reply at User talk:208.228.103.48. &mdash; getcrunk   what?!  23:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

B'Day

 * Is B'Day a double cd?someone put it on the "Beyonce" page and I have seen the tracklisting on quite a few websites(not itunes, that's different) and it says only 1 cd, can someone tell me, cause then everybody will be like"A double CD, she must of copied Christina?"


 * Thanks I am a beyonce' fan think that she is great and has come a long way so that is why I definitely have to have that B-day album that is going sell big time I think with 'Deja vu'and Ring the Alarm.


 * B'Day is not a double disc CD. It will have a Wal-Mart DVD package with video etc. Tigermichal 02:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Marriage
According to this official Sony Netherlands website, she married Jay-Z in 2003. Under the headline "The B van Bootylicious" it says: "In 2003 stopte Beyoncé tijdelijk met Destiny’s Child, liet haar achternaam vallen, trouwde met haar vriend Jay-Z en bracht de swingende en pikante single Crazy In Love uit."

Translation: "In 2003, Beyoncé [..], married boyfriend Jay-Z en released the [..]"

– ( empoor ) 11:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Check on It
I think that Check on It should have pop in the genre. The song is a kind of bubblegum. Beyoncé is a pop singer with a urban lean like Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston. Charmed36 21:47 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. "Check on It" is definitely pop.  It's no surprise it performed better on the Billboard Pop 100 than the R&B 100 chart.  --musicpvm 16:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Creole, photo, and genre
Is Creole really a single? I uploaded a better promotional photo than the over sexy one and Beyoncé is R&B and pop singer not soul. Someone is very wrong. Naughty Girl underperformed on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts. Isn't that kind of poppy? Also is Irreplaceable really the third single? It's my favorite. Charmed36 20:13 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Beyonce is a POP and R&B artist, not soul., who seems to have no understanding of genres, has been continually changing them to incorrect ones. .  --musicpvm 20:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

B'Day
Please stop User Noboyo from changing the release date of the B'Day. He removes the U.S. and UK release as if it was only release in Germany. Charmed36 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Please inform yourself on Wiki policies. In album articles, the first release date should always be given. Mjbjosh 19:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Beyonce's Picture Vandalism
Has anyone else noticed that someone has tampered with the photos of Beyonce in this article?! They've added a monobrow and a weird mouth to most of them. I think that is horrible! Can anyone change them back to the original versions? (I don't know if its possible though because I'm new to Wikipedia)

Bing Sorry
Bing sorry for what has ben did, i would ike to sorry to people, i love you long time people.

Bing has undone what has ben done and very sorry, eh, i love you long time fr what has ben did.

rv "cold war" over the booing at the awards
There appears to be a rv "cold war" over this passage: "however, was booed by crowds when she did not turn up to accept any of the honours on the night, along with her partner and fellow award winner Jay-Z." A citation might help, but both parties, please stop reverting and discuss first. -- JHunterJ 12:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I find that this is an important moment that shows the backlash that she experiences lately. Mr. Matthew Knowles even issued a statement regarding the booes at MOBO's not so long ago. Mjbjosh 13:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Cite for M. Knowles' statement? (I'm still neutral about the encyclopedic importance of the "backlash experience".) -- JHunterJ 14:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well I'll have to find those articles again where he addresses it. I'll give URL's later even though I could live without the mention of booing, too. -- Mjbjosh 19:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Racist comments
This portion was hopelessly POV, and I removed it:

"Since the comments have been grossly misinterpreted by the public as racist, the record sales of her new album, 'B'day' have fallen by 70 percent in the United States."
 * Thanks. Lawikitejana 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Filmography
Why does the following text appear above "Filmography"?


 * align="center" rowspan="1"|2006 |align="left"|"Ring The Alarm" |align="center"| |align="center"| |align="center"| |align="center"| |align="center"| |align="center"| |}

Naerhu 22:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Please Someone Find a Picture
I want to know why there isn't a picture that is suitable to post for Beyonce's page? Can someone find one that's appropriate, since every image seems to be illegal supposedly. And I also suspect that that little image warning thing is suspect. Tigermichal 04:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a great picture of Beyoncé, I just need to know how to put it up. I am new to wikipedia.Ladyfizz 16:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Sales inflation and currently album
The album Dangerously in love did not managed more weeks than The Writtings on the wall, who is an record to an R&B album (spend about 112 weeks on billboard 200) its worldwide sales according to nielse soundscan and media traffic is whereabout 8million of copies its certification was out of range (oficillay had an sales of 3,7 but due to shipments got the last platinum certification), it was pointing to 5 times platinum B'day did not manage to get certification from RIAA yet

and this article should have a clean up Eduemoni 16:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Eduemoni 16:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * and I forgot, if you use RIAA certification, you should not use the US Sales tag in the table
 * Others have commented that "cleanup" tags were posted without explanation. It would probably help the cause if you identified the specific aspects and/or sections that you think need work. Lawikitejana 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism actions on this article!
I've added this article to my watchlist and I'll be reverting any vandalism done into it The WW sales was 16million, this is impossible, Columbia did not made many copies as well, I've already added the note into sales, if someone want to see, go into RIAA, Nielsen SoundScan and MediaTraffic sites, there are related links any vandalism action in this article will be not tolerated and the responsible for such action will be punished --Eduemoni 22:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay. The official numbers are NO LESS than 11 million. Access Hollywood - earlier this year stated that AT LEAST 11 million were sold. So these reports of 8 million are OUTDATED. Think about it - if it sold 6 million WW in 2003 alone - BEFORE "Me Myself And I" and "Naughty Girl", 11 million is DEFINATELY an acceptable number concerning the worldwide success of "Crazy In Love" and "Naughty Girl" link: http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah423.shtml ALSO: 16 million does seem a bit out there - but earlier reports of 14 million were reported and that also sounds possible. --Ip-Based User 22:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

No, No, No! These values are sales inflation, go to official music world wide scan like, united world charts, media traffic, soundScan, EPBI and you'll see how much the album have sold, 16 million it is impossible, I'll say once again columbia did not manage to produce to many copies, there is no demand, the album sold about 8 million, go to beyoncé official site and there is showing how much the album sold

LOL 16 million, neither DC even got that (DC is ww more popular than any of its member), what about Beyoncé, she isnt exceptional Eduemoni 02:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Eduemoni - you are reporting the wrong person for the 16 million vandalism - someone else was the one who originally posted the number -- not who you think it is (they e-mailed me and asked me to explain this to you because they say you keep warning them) Anyway - sales are NOT 16 million as I have only heard that cited on www.BeyonceWorld.net. Sales around 9-12 million seem a bit more accurate. Kirby2725 15:49, 16 October 2006

Ok - Beyonce's timeline lists that as of 2006 (BEFORE the release of B'day) she had a worldwide career sales of over 50 million units. As it has been proven that Destiny's Child (as a group without solo sales) has sold 39 million units worldwide. 50 Million Career Sales - 39 with Destiny's Child 11 Million Solo sales Which means that as of 2006 Dangerously in Love HAD in fact sold 11 million units. Kirby2725 18:13, 16 October 2006

I've added
the clean up tag this article is so messed up we need order --Eduemoni 03:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

DAMN, is it so hard to go to RIAA site? and call for searchable database??? there is write down 4 times platinum --Eduemoni 23:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well - the RIAA aren't exactly the most frequent updaters of their site... Their last certifications occured in like February. --Kirby2725 5:55, 20 October 2006

Again, it would help if those calling for cleanup would specify what aspects need cleanup. Clearly, those posting the tag feel the need is self-evident, but the fact that cleanup has not occurred suggests it's not as obvious as some may think. Lawikitejana 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Pop genre
I strongy believe Beyonce is a R&B AND pop artist. Her music has strong pop influences; it is very incorrect to label her as a pure R&B artist. All internet sources label her as a pop artist, and she is probably one of the most prominent figures in pop music today. Most users seem to agree with this, but disagrees. I don't want edit wars but the pop genre is constantly being removed from this article, Check on It, Naughty Girl (Beyoncé song), and Irreplaceable. Can we please resolve this issue? --musicpvm 16:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't feel strongly about it either way, but let me just say that Junkie's obsession with dumping/swiping genres is very annoying. He's doing it repeatedly and obsessively, and minus edits summaries. In particular, he seems to think Justin Timberlake isn't an R&B artist, even tho most of his solo singles chart on U.S. R&B and his album debuted at #1 on U.S. R&B. Junkie even made at least one sockpuppet for removing R&B genres from Timberlake's singles articles. Crumbsucker 20:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have noticed this as well. The user seems to have personal views on what genre(s) certain artists fit into and while that is fine, these views are not in line with popular belief, and are in turn POV.  The R&B genre should definitely be included in the Justin Timberlake article.  The user has been asked many times to stop removing genres, since February 2006 when he was editing with .  --musicpvm 21:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I don't see anything pop on Beyoncé's music. Just because she has some danceable songs? As I've already said before, she has more soul songs than pop ones (although she's not as soulful as Alicia Keys, for example). I mean, her Dangerously In Love samples many soul songs. If you considered all genres Beyoncé has recorded on, you'd also have to include funk ("Work It Out," "Creole," and even "Crazy In Love" and "Check On It" have some funk influences). So I'd say Beyoncé's a pure R&B musician. Her music sounds too much like Amerie's one, which is also an R&B-only artist. If you compare Beyoncé's music with Destiny's Child's one, you'll see notable differences – Destiny's Child has this hip-hop-sounding R&B/pop style. And if you compare it with actual pop-R&B singers' one, you'll also see differences. As for Justin Timberlake, I did NOT create that sockpuppet. Just because he/she has the same opinion as mine? Anyway, I don't want edit wars, I just want to be in peace with everyone. Funk Junkie 23:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * @funk junkie: hell no she AINT Ppure r&b. she is commercially successful bc she is pop, funk as well. Pure rb is amerie like u say/said. posted by 208.58.196.156 12:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Funk Junkie, Beyonce is a PURE R&B artist. Her songs maybe dancey but they are R&B. And Justin Timberlake does not make R&B music. He is a Pop singer with R&B influences, down to Timbaland —Preceding unsigned comment added by Candy Baby 1234 (talk • contribs)


 * And you also think the The Pussycat Dolls are pure R&B which is just laughable. --musicpvm 18:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This I agree with you, musicpvm. The Pussycat Dolls' main genre is pop. Funk Junkie 19:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, most African singers are Rythm and Blue singers.

^^wtf anyway, beyonce is obviously pop-oriented geezuz does it really matter? I mean sometimes she's both and others she's just one or the other don't you guys have a life insted of debating this?

Best dressed, etc.
I don't want to seem frivolous or unencyclopedic, but ... to have an article of this length and detail and not mention that Knowles has been publically noted as a "best-dressed" celebrity seems a little funny, especially in light of the notable detail that her mother designs most of her clothes, very unusual among the rich and famous. I didn't put it in myself because I didn't see an appropriate place to note it without watering down the article, and because I don't have the source in front of me. The article in People (2006, I believe) had a stunning picture of a purple iris dress; if there is a GFDL picture of the singer wearing the same dress, it would be a good addition. Again, not trying to weigh down the article with trivialities or overshadow her entertainment career with something superficial; it simply seems worth noting at some point in the article. Lawikitejana 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Supposedly she had a "wardrobe malfunction" recently. That should win her a point or two. Wahkeenah 01:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Jay Z
They broke up right? and when? --Pumpkin Pie 00:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * They didn't break up. -- K e l s i e . &amp; a d o r e s ; . Y o u

Upgrade U
Don't get me wrong - I absolutely love the song and it is great that it has been so successful, but I believe that it shouldn't be placed into her "Singles" category until it has officially been released as a single. --Kirby2725 00:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Lesbian Rumor
People are stating that she is "rumored" to have an affair. It's not even rumored nor true. The rumor is that she isn't in a movie with Eva Longoria. That's it.

Singles
I don't think its necessary to give single information for non-mainstream official releases. 'Upgrade U' has not been yet officially confirmed to be released. 'Dangerously In Love 2' was released only to radio with no music video - and was not a mainstream released single. Her mainstream releases were 'Work It Out', '03 Bonnie & Clyde", "Crazy In Love", "Baby Boy", "Me, Myself and I", "Check On It", "Deja Vu", "Ring The Alarm", "Irreplaceable" and soon to be "Listen" (assuming they release it to the mainstream audience, which they may not due to the current success of "Irreplaceable") .Kirby2725 23:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Highest grossing comedy
Cut from article:
 * The film is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the Highest-Grossing Box Office Film Comedy.

Anyone got a source for the assertion than Goldmember was the top grossing comedy? --Uncle Ed 18:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

What?
"Beyonce is the first woman and second woman to ever win the ASCAP Pop Songwriter of the Year Award in 2001" What is that supposed to say?
 * It's suppose to say " Beyonce is the first black woman and second woman to ever win..."TJ 17:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Beyone's age
According to MediaTakeOut.com, they have received a fax from the Texas Department of Health that lists Beyone's year of birth at 1974, not 1981, making her seven years older and presently 32 years old, not the 25 she claims. --Zimbabweed 14:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

-Why would "mediatakeout.com" be sent a fax regarding a personal matter like that? Thesean43 18:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Number 1 her birth records are private and should not be put into the public without her consent. Number 2 THAT'S HER DAMN BUSINESS. (Personally if it's true I think it would be great.)It would explain why she's dating a 35 year old Jay Z.(NitaReads 21:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

Jay-Z's older than that.
 * It seems like another internet hoax to me. Honestly, there has been videography of Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland when they were children. Kelly's birth year is noted as February 11, 1981, putting her birth seven months prior than Beyoncé's September 4, 1981 birth. If she was really 32, when Kelly was 8, Beyoncé would have been 15. Destiny's Child's released home videos clearly dispute these false allegations of her age, Beyoncé, Kelly, LaTavia, and LeToya are clearly close to one another in age. TJ 21:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As long as the reports regarding the dispute over her age is in the public arena, particularly attached to apaprently official Texas documents (which, frankly, are public records and therefore available for viewing or by order), it should be included in the article, even with a caveat.204.126.251.245 16:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That image is definitely bogus. I used to have a subscription to ancestry.com (where that image is from) through my library and I looked up Beyonce and it said 1981, even on the original source image. If someone has a valid subscription they should post the real image. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elle234 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC).


 * everyone can see the records for themselves on the public govt documents provided on USA people search, which has two different beyonce's born to the same parent, one is 26 and the other is 33. i think they falsified it, because they all i have been born on the same year as Britney Spears, who was popular at the time because of her youth, so they all wanted to fall into that band wagon.--Juju 18:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't really tell she's just one of those people but still she could be thrity but you never know all we know is that the bare min. is like 23 but still she could be up to like 32. You just can't tell. And really who goes looking for like there personal documents? Thats like being a stalker.
 * then what about all the childhood videos showing 11 year old bk? post by 208.58.196.156 12:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Racist comments
Please remove the following line from the first paragraph of the Early Life section "Beyonce pretends to be white, with blond hair weaves and skin lightening."

This is rude and false.nubiantemptres43 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.109.149.220 (talk) 15:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Hotness
She is rather hot.Wikipediarul e s 2221 03:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Date of Birth
I was listening to a gossip feed and it said Beyonce wasn't really born in '81, but in '74. Is there a citation for either of those dates? What do you do about celebs lying about their birthdays? --Htmlism 00:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Records and achivements
whoever is putting Two number-one singles as a quartet ("Bills, Bills, Bills" and "Say My Name"), two as a trio ("Independent Woman Part I" and "Bootylicious"), four as a duo ("Crazy in Love", "Baby Boy", and "Check on It"), and now one as a solo act ("Irreplaceable"). stop it it is not something that is relevant to the article


 * ...it is relevant...it shows where her #1 singles are and with who...not that many new acts can credit that to their names. and is fact and is undisputable. JWG

Nuclear Attack Hoax
Just the title says it all. I've deleted it several times and it keeps popping up, it's probably an automated program.24.68.226.166 05:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

peta seems to have hijacked a good part of the 'story', it gets undue attention. A mention is ok, but a play-by-play is not called for.


 * Can you please sign your comments by typing four tildes (~). Also can you elaborate? I saw the nuclear attack message and it looked alarmingly real. More information might help the administrators resolve the issue. Is it only this page? Why doesn't it show up in the edit history now? 90.192.7.27 18:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tildes, I forgot how to do that. It looked VERY real, I did look into it right away. I've only ever seen it on this page and I haven't looked at the edit history. If it's not there, I can only imagine it was because it wasn't entered in manually. As I mentioned earlier, it seemed automated.24.68.226.166 05:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)