Talk:Bhoi dynasty

Shakti cult source claiming them to be Karanas a non kshatriya tribe and other sources claiming them to be a writer caste removed without any reason plz restore them also kc panigrahi claims bhoi rulers to be of either karana or gopal descent he nowhere mentions the word khandayat with regards to their origin so plz make the appropriate changes.Thank you

Repeated Spam Edits by P. Sitansu
P. Sitansu is constantly doing Caste Glorification for Karana caste despite not a single source mentioned the word exactly. He removed 3 reliable sources which are well published books. I think we need a talk on this subject. Peacepks (talk) 02:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

You must have to follow KC Panigrahi and Shishir Kumar Panda's book. P.sitansu (talk) 03:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

KC Panigrahi book doesn't confirm the caste of Govinda Vidyadhara exactly. His book says " It becomes difficult to ascertain whether the Bhois were originally Karanas or Gopals". How you assumed that he was Karana when author himself don't know about it. You didn't add the page no. Of shishir Kumar panda's book. Simply addding a book name for caste glorification is spam. On the other hand you removed 3 reliable sources from well published book. Peacepks (talk) 03:14, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

It's beyond logic how a yaduvanshi could be a karana. Wikipedia isn't the platform for caste glorification. Stop vandalizing this page. None of the sources mention them as karana Solarson919 (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. But the thing is user like P.Sitansu using Wikipedia as a tool for caste glorification. Look you are free to mention them as Karana only when you have any source for it. No one stopping you from adding information in Wikipedia but at least follow Wikipedia Policy of WP:NOR. The sources mentioned Writer, Accountant and Khandayat specifically & these 3 word will be used. Until you don't have proper references to claim Govind Vidyadhara as Karana, don't edit it. Otherwise we would have to tag admins so that they can take action against caste organisation accounts. Peacepks (talk) 04:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

All books says that Govinda Vidyadhar was belongs to Writer (Karana) caste. but later Gopalas had captured this throne,you must have know the Gopalas claims to be descendants from ancient Yadava clan (Yaduvanshi), so this dynasty was called as dynasty of Yaduvanshi. so KC Panigrahi says his book "It becomes difficult to ascertain whether the Bhois were originally Karanas or Gopals". but nothing mentioned about Khandayat. everyone is know that writer belongs to Karana caste. so don't edit it without reliable sources. 100to100 (talk) 06:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Which book mentioned that Govind Vidyadhara was from Karana Caste ? Not a single dictionary mentioned Karana as a synonymous word for Writer. If any source mention warrior that doesn't mean the person is Rajput, Maratha, Khandayat or any other Caste. Similarly, the word Writer doesn't mean karana. "but later Gopalas had captured this throne,you must have know the Gopalas claims to be descendants from ancient Yadava clan (Yaduvanshi), so this dynasty was called as dynasty of Yaduvanshi." This sentence is your opinion. KC Panigrahi book doesn't say this anywhere. KC Panigrahi book exactly mentioned what I had written before. It Says, "It becomes difficult to ascertain whether the Bhois were originally Karanas or Gopals". Govind Vidyadhara was from Khandayat caste is exactly mentioned in " Torch Bearers of Vedic Traditions: Brahmin Sasan Villages in Orissa" book (page no. 19) by N. Patnaik. But you're constantly removing this source for your own caste glorification purpose. Your claim that everyone knows writer belongs to karana caste is very funny. There are writers from every caste. Peacepks (talk) 08:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Caste organisations are making new accounts to edit this page after I exposed their Propaganda. Accounts like "Kalusx" are the perfect example. Peacepks (talk) 08:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-Protection request of 23 April 2021
I request to administrator please protect this page against continuous vandalism. This page needs semi- protection. 100to100 (talk) 06:28, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Admin attention needed for vandalism by 100to100
This Specific ID is using his opinion as a source rather than well published books. He is constantly removing reliable sources and adding the Karana caste despite not a single source mentioned the Karana word. It is possible that this Specific Id work for any caste organisation. Do an investigation and take action to keep the Wikipedia safe from caste glorification. Peacepks (talk) 08:14, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

All reliable sources says that Govinda Vidyadhara belongs to writer caste,that means Karana caste also KC Panigrahi's book mentioned as Karana. Administrator can check all sources and also Karana caste's page. 100to100 (talk) 09:03, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Some sources say he belongs to writer caste, Accountants and Khandayat caste. Not a Single source mentioned the Karana word anywhere. My edits exactly mentioned the 3 word but you removed that edit for your caste glorification. See Wikipedia Policy WP:NOR. Mention exactly what source say. Don't add your opinion. As per the source it doesn't mention the Karana word anywhere. Peacepks (talk) 09:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Page-protection needed
This page needs semi- protection, I noticed here some id continueslly doing vandalism, with unreliable sources. Please protect this page. Kalusx (talk) 08:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism by two users P.Sitanshu and 100to100.
There's repeated reverts made by users like P. sitanshu and 100to100 who are unnecessarily adding a caste to the central figure of the Article while citing the sources which nowhere mentions anything like "Karana caste". This needed to discussed properly rather than unnecessarily reducing it to a Karana Caste pride war. Sangramz (talk) 08:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

It is possible that all accounts belongs to the same person. The account "Kalusx" is created today and his first edit is vandalism on Bhoi Dynasty page. Admin should take strict action against these Caste organisation accounts. Peacepks (talk) 09:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Expanding the Article
Wikipedia encourage to post information from different sources rather than making conclusions on certain Point of View. Regarding the origin of Govind Vidyadhara, the different sources mentioned him as Writer,Accontant and khandayat. so i'm going to edit the article on the basis of all sources.

About new consensus
The recent edit by me added information from all point of view with exact clear information. Request to every user please don't add unnecessary personal opinion. The rest we can discuss on talk page rather than involving in edit war.

Regarding origin
The third column started with According to KC Panigrahi, that means all information from KC Panigrahi should be share in it. It doesn't say according to Madala Panji. Some may don't like "At any rate, they were not Kshatriyas" line but it's the part of the same book. If anyone don't like the information on my own word. Then I think it will be better to Quote all information serially. Wikipedia Quotations actually says to use Quotations in case conflict arise. P. Sitansu and any other editor are free to give their opinion. Peacepks (talk) 17:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Origin
Shakti Cult in Odisha by Historian Francesco Brighenti source claiming them to be Karanas a non kshatriya Writer Caste of Odisha and other sources claiming them to be of writer caste removed without any reason plz restore them also Historian KC Panigrahi claims bhoi rulers to be of either Karana or Gopal descent according to him bhoi rulers were of Karana writer caste descent but their ancestors may have been cowherds hence he finds it difficult to ascertain whether bhois were originally Karanas or Gopalas but one thing that he agrees upon is their writer caste lineage also he nowhere mentions the word Khandayat with regards to their origin in his book so plz make the appropriate changes.Thank you 115.96.83.125 (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism in Origin Section of this article
Bhoi rulers were said to be of the writer caste lineage by all the sources which are cited in this article only one source by N Patnaik uses the word khandayat with regards to their origin while shakti cult source mentions them to be of karana writer caste lineage whose ancestors were cowherds also historian KC Panigrahi mentions the bhoi rulers to be of either Karana or Gopala descent he nowhere mentions the word khandayat with regards to their origin then too this article is saying that kc panigrahi mentions them to be of khandayat descent,this is clear vandalism done for some hidden agenda please rectify the above mistakes and restore the page to it's authentic state.Admin Attention required. AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 07:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Removed the source by n patnaik
I removed the source by n patnaik as his book severely contradicts with other reliable sources also false claims are present in his book regarding bhoi dynasty as according to him Gajapati Prataprudra Deva had no heirs because of which his minister govind vidhyadhar was installed on the throne this claim has no historical validation and it contradicts with other authentic sources and facts as per sources Gajapati Prataprudra Deva had heirs for his throne but they were murdered by Govinda Vidhyadhara this event is not mentioned in his book he directly claims in his book without any historical validation that govind vidhyadhar was installed on the throne because prataprudra Deva had no heirs this claim is false and has no historical validation.Also he is not a historian as this article said ,he's an Anthropologist, a clear sign of vandalism. AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 06:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism by solarson919
This user is constantly vandalising this page he is removing isbn certified sources also he is claiming n patnaik to be a historian which he is not he is an anthropologist https://www.scstrti.in/index.php/history-of-tribal-study/111-directors/426-dr-nityananda-patnaik u could know the qualification of n patnaik from the above link ....also it's a request to the administrator to lock this page otherwise users like solarson919 will continue with their disruptive edits. AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 18:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The current page edited by me is the most authentic one
The current edit by me is the most authentic version of this page it contains all the citations and sources given by different individuals AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 18:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism by Solarson919
As per kc panigrahi bhoi rulers were of either karana or gopala descent as ramachandra Deva 1 was associated with yaduvamsa he doesn't mention the word khandayat with regards to their origin u guys can check this detail from the citation itself that is present in that article...also n patnaik is not a historian he is an anthropologist I've given the link in talk page for u guys to check his qualification ....his book also contradicts with other sources that are cited in the bhoi dynasty page as he claims that govind vidhyadhara was installed on the throne because gajapati prataprudra Deva had no heirs which is not true according to other reliable sources that are already present in the article as per the other sources prataprudra Deva did have heirs namely his son kaluadeva and his younger brother both were installed on the throne but were murdered by Govinda vidhyadhar this event is not mentioned in his book....check the citation by n patnaik then comment..also the shakti cult source which mentions them to be of karana writer caste lineage was present in this article from the very start still u say that the sources didn't comply with the Wikipedia terms and policies ...the reality is you are just distorting this article by presenting the citations present in that page in their distorted form...I say it again bhoi dynasty page is vandalised by solarson919..good luck distorting history AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 05:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

My Points of argument regarding recent vandalism done by solarson919
1)u say historian kc panigrahi claims bhoi rulers to be of khandayat descent which as per his book is not true he says bhoi rulers were of either karana or gopal descent he nowhere mentions the word khandayat..admin can check the citation given in that page itself. 2)u say n patnaik is a historian which he is not he is an anthropologist admin can check the link given by me regarding n patnaik's qualification in the talk page. 3)shakti cult source was present on that page from the very start still someone said it doesn't comply with Wikipedia terms and policies..admin can check the history of bhoi dynasty page to confirm whether I'm right or wrong.3) regarding sources which mentioned them to be of writer caste lineage ,all these sources are isbn certified and if these sources don't comply with wikipedia terms and policies then u must remove the n patnaik source as well since it also has isbn certificate on it.4)n patnaik source contradicts with other sources already present in the article as he claims govind vidhyadhar the minister of prataprudra Deva was installed on the throne because prataparudra had no heirs which is not true as per other sources prataprudra did have heirs who were installed on the throne namely his son and his younger brother but both of them were murdered by govind vidhyadhar this event is not present in his book he directly claims that vidhyadhar was installed on the throne because prataprudra had no heirs.admin can check the sources which are already present in the article regarding this event.5)since someone mentioned that sources from political website cannot be sited then u must remove n patnaik source as well as he is also associated with bjd the political party of odisha...look through the points given above and then draw your conclusion. AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 06:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

N Patnaik's association with a political party
https://www.scstrti.in/index.php/history-of-tribal-study/111-directors/426-dr-nityananda-patnaik this link is from the political website of government of odisha the above personality is associated with sc st training institute of the government of odisha. AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 06:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Constant Vandalism by solarson919
This user solarson has got some serious issues he's constantly vandalising bhoi dynasty page removing valuable sources also claiming n patnaik to be a historian and saying kc panigrahi mentions the word khandayat with regards to bhoi rulers lineage this is a clear form of vandalism done for some hidden motive, humble request to the admin to look into the above matter ... I've already given my points of argument in the talk page of bhoi dynasty look into it and then decide who's right or wrong....also the current page edited by me is the most accurate form of representation of all the information provided by different citations which are already present in the article contrary to what solarson919 is doing he is representing the information provided in the sources in their distorted form to fulfill his own personal agenda...admin plz look into it.. AuthenticSources2546 (talk) 19:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)