Talk:Big West Conference

School type/religious affiliation
The religious affiliation or designation as "non-sectarian" is not so clear cut. For example, Duke University describes its ties with Methodism as "formal, on-going, and symbolic" while Wake Forest University maintains "a dedication to the values rooted in its Baptist heritage". Both schools can be considered "non-sectarian" in that they are no longer under the direct auspices of their founding religious organizations. Likewise, Boston College maintains its Jesuit identity in spite of the fact that it severed its formal ties with the Jesuit Order (and thereby the Catholic Church) in the 1960s when it was independently incorporated under a lay board of trustees. Unlike the Catholic University of America, which is under the direct auspices of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, or the University of Notre Dame, which is governed by "fellows" who must be priests of the Congregation of Holy Cross, The Trustees of Boston College (BC's governing body) operate independent of any religious jurisdiction. This arrangement is probably similar to that at Duke or Wake Forest, except that the BC trustees have voluntarily chosen to elect members of the founding religious organization to the presidency (though they are not required to do so). In fact, similar arrangements exist at other Jesuit colleges and universities, where both women and non-clerics have been elected to presidency (most recently at Georgetown University). All of this is to say that I think the nature of a school's religious affiliation is beyond the scope of this article, and that "public" or "private" suffice in the context of the members table. --24.63.125.78 10:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * 24.63.125.78 has coppied and pasted this on almost every college conference discussion board. Please refer to Talk:Atlantic Coast Conference so we can keep all the discussion in one place.  Thanks. -- Masonpatriot

Football champions
While maintaining the college athletic conference categories, I moved the football champions raw text from Category:Big West Conference and minimally Wikified it. No matter what, this content did not belong in the Category page, but rather belongs in the main article, if anywhere. Regular editors of this page, please verify veracity of this information, then please remove this comment. —Optikos 23:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Logos
There is a discussion to clarify our policy/guideline on the use of sports team logos. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Logos if you wish to participate in the discussion. Johntex\talk 16:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Bigwestnew.gif
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Stadiums and capacities
I made a lot of changes to this article, mostly coming from these media guides:

Mens Soccer: http://www.bigwest.org/sports/msoccer/release.pdf

Women's Soccer: http://www.bigwest.org/sports/wsoccer/2007_WSoc_Guide.pdf

However, there's still a few oddities. First, it should be mentioned that Long Beach and Pacific do not field Men's Soccer teams, so those attendance figures and stadiums were taken from the Women's guide. However, the mens guide says the Spanos Stadium capacity is 17,750 while the women's says it's 17,775. Does anyone have an official number? Also, both media guides say Harder Stadium is 17,000, so I believe 16,000 (which is on the Wikipedia article for Harder Stadium as well) is incorrect. Also, the previous figure in this article for Stagg stadium was 28,000, but the women's soccer media guide says it is 30,000. Can anyone go through my corrections and make sure they all check out? Thanks!

Proposal to make timelines more consistent
I noticed that conferences in List of NCAA conferences have articles, usually including a membership timeline. While some of the decisions made for each conference make some sense, there is a wide variety of styles for the various timelines, particularly involving color choices, but also other matters of style that could be more consistent.

for example, a school with a yellow bar means:
 * An associate member in one sport (if part of the BE)
 * A former member of the conference (in the SEC)
 * A future member of the conference (in the SEC and Big West)
 * A football only member (in the Sun Belt)
 * A team that has moved to another conference (in the WAC, NEC)
 * A full member of the Big Sky

Some graphs have captions, some do not, and none are centered. To see the variety of styles, review Current conference timelines

I think it would be worth discussing how best to provide some measure of consistency, recognizing that there may be legitimate reasons for some differences from a standard presentation (for example, some conferences show the name of the new conference for former members. In some cases, this makes sense, in other, it may not.)

I've produced a draft of how the timelines would look with some consistency added. Please see Draft proposal of conference timelines.

I propose a discussion to see if there is consensus on improving the consistency.

Because it would not be practical to have this discussion on each and every conference talk page, I suggest centralizing this discussion at the Talk page of Project College football SPhilbrick  (Talk)  12:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

University of the Pacific
Let's not jump the gun here. They're committed for one more year, and will depart on June 30, 2013. Please don't move them into "former members" until that date. On July 1 we can also add SDSU to the timeline too. hbdragon88 (talk) 05:46, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't forget Hawaii which joins in July, and SDSU joins in 2013. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  22:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Standardize facility sections
See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College baseball.

Boise State
Why was Boise state being listed as a member of the BE if they are not a full member in that conference? YE  Pacific   Hurricane  00:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Two reasons - first, football isn't like water polo or hockey, just some random sport finding a home in a different conference. It is driving the moves (after all, it's not like Boise said, "we want to take our olympic teams out of the MWC and put them in the WAC, so who can we find to take our football program" - it was the other way around), and football conference membership is given prominence in the national reporting of college athletics.  You would be hard pressed to find a single news article about BSU's conference membership for their olympic sports that doesn't present it as a question of what to do with their other sports now that they are joining the Big East for football.  Like it or not, that is the weight given football conference membership.  Second, because that is the format that has been used for these split-memberships on other conference timelines when displaying membership after leaving, e.g. WAC & MWC both show Boise as WAC/Big East, BYU as WCC/Indep, etc. (That being said, the way USt was displayed went to the other extreme, ignoring that they were full Big W members through 2005 - I have changed this back.) Agricolae (talk) 02:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, football is a random sports to some people; after all, we need to maintain a neutral point of views. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  02:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Catering to 'some people' is not what NPOV is about. It is about giving due weight as defined by the weight given by the sources, all of which seem to think Boise's Big East membership in football is worth giving equal billing to their WAC membership in other sports. Agricolae (talk) 04:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we do this for any other article though? YE  Pacific   Hurricane  04:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, WAC and MWC, as I already indicated. Agricolae (talk) 14:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Discussion about overview maps for US collegiate athletic conferences
A discussion on the Project College Football talk page has been created to discuss the proper format of the overview maps that are used for the US collegiate athletic conference pages.

If you're interested, please join the discussion here: Athletic conference overview maps and their lack of consistency. Mdak06 (talk) 00:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

College basketball team navigation templates
Please join the discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navigation template for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco (talk) 09:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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