Talk:Billboard charts/Archive 1

Clarification
Nowhere on this page does it specify *where* shops and radio stations which contribute to the charts are located. This may sound like a stupid complaint, but I'm unfamiliar with the chart, and so wouldn't know whether its just within the USA, within the USA and Canada, or possibly including Mexico, Puerto Rico, etc. This is an issue as I'm moving some musical 'records' from the list of world records to list of records of the USA, and hence assuming that this country is the only domain in which registered sales and airplay count. --Neo 12:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyrights?
Anyone know about the copyright status of these charts? If so, could you respond to Articles_for_deletion/Hot_100_Airplay_number-one_hits_of_1997_%28USA%29 ? Corpx 17:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

A question about other US pop charts
I'm very aware that the Billboard charts are now the "standard" US charts, but also that in earlier decades there were other charts produced by Cash Box, Variety etc. We have the Whitburn books for Billboard, but do any tabulations of these alternative charts exist, and if so, where ? The reason I ask is that, in writing the article on Julius Dixson, I got into correspondence with his son, who among much else wrote : ''"I will say this much, the Variety Charts were a more prestigious chart than Billboard. It was already 49 years old by 1955.  It only had one main chart when it came to record sales.  The bottom line, who is selling the most records out of the top 25.  So whether you were Black or white it didn't matter.  It was much harder to get on that chart.  Billboard came late and had to compete with Variety so it needed to split the music up and create distinction.  Hence, you got more people on the charts and people were more interested if they had an opportunity to get notoriety. "Dim Dim The Lights" being # 10 on Variety is more important than it being #11 on Billboard back then.  The top ten in Variety is not the same as the top ten in Billboard during the time "...the lights" were on the charts. Some of the latter could not make Variety's Top ten."'' When there were strong differences between the different charts, what were the reasons ?  Has anything been written up on this ?  Any advice would be gratefully received.  Ghmyrtle 14:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha! Just found this .. Cashbox Top Singles Charts Ghmyrtle 22:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Online stores that count toward the Billboard
Can there be a section for this? Maybe we can start a list. I know that Amazon.com counts toward the charts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.138.113 (talk) 22:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Triple A
I think billboard just added a Triple A chart, unless it was moved from somewhere else. But i Don't see it on thi slist. here the link http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/rock_index.jsp. icelandic hur ric ane #12(talk) 15:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Independent and other charts
It lists independant charts as well as many others, but there is not description text for many of these, severely limiting the reader's ability to gain knowledge from the article. Anyone want to tell me what qualifies a musician/group to chart on the top independent albums chart? 72.72.212.58 (talk) 21:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

What's a Black Album chart?
In the article about the soundtrack album Saturday Night Fever, there is a reference to "Billboard Music Chart's Pop Album and Black Album charts". I can't find any explanation to this use of the phrase Black Album. (I thought all albums where black in the vinyl age...) -Ulla — 12:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It referred to the race of the artist, not the colour of the record. I believe it's now the R&B chart. 69.154.185.205 (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It didn't even refer to the race of the artist, but the type of music (R&B) that was mostly associated with black people.

Non-Billboard song list
The list of songs that were never on the Billboard chart due to the policy requiring single releases seems to be very skewed; it's nothing but stuff from the last few years before the policy changed. It's missing a lot of very notable songs; off the top of my head, "Stairway to Heaven" and "Wish You Were Here" leap to mind as being vastly more notable than any song currently listed there. Someone with a more thorough knowledge of 70s and 80s popular music than myself really should rework that list. 69.154.185.205 (talk) 23:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

GREEK TOP 10!
This URL [] directs me to Greek billboard chart. It is like any ordinary billboard chart, has the same design with the hot 100 and is updated every week. Nevertheless, it is not mentioned here. Also, I can't find it anywhere on the Billboard website (in the sub-category section). This is so weird. Since it is supported by Billboard, it must be official right? I mean it is updated and all, it has the billboard logo and you can go to the US Hot 100 through it and it soesn't lack any characteristic of any Billboard chart! Any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.167.122.23 (talk) 09:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Changes
New changes to the Billboard site? This now means that LOTS of sources/references are now outdated? Charts missing? Help? Dt128 17:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch. There's got to be a way to fix this with a bot. Let me think over the problem, and figure out a way to make the request.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * For instance, all of the "chart listing for the week of..." sites are now gone, some of the news stories, and almost everything has a different URL. Dt128 18:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

THE ALBUM CHARTS
Is anyone gonna do to the album charts what i've done to the singles chart?, put them in order and in tables —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.MENSAH (talk • contribs) 09:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1.5 years later, I did at least put the albums in a table. Anyone for the videos? --Alvestrand (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Other countries have 'Billboard charts', but the article page starts,
"The Billboard charts tabulate the relative weekly popularity of songs or albums in the United States." Where is the mention of the Billboard charts of the other applicable countries? I am from US but realize the article should NOT be US-centric.—Iknow23 (talk) 05:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * i think we're working on it. I am personally working on a brand new central page for US Billboard charts. But yes i agree... Billboard charts should be about ALL billboard charts including international ones. The current page (if not is not expanded to speak about international ones) should be called US Billboard charts. Take a look at this mock up page that i'm working on in my user space (notice specifically the small summary for each chart that is very precise and would see the removal of individual pages). It's a work in progress of a new wikipedia page for US billboard charts and will essentially allow us to merge all minor charts to one central page. Its a long way from completion but since you've brough this up its probably a good place to mention it.Lil-unique1 (talk) 06:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly glad that you are doing this and not me :) —Iknow23 (talk) 06:23, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh right you approve then? im not sure what people would think because some pages like Hot 100 and R&B/Hip Hop Songs have a rather large trivial history which spoken about on their respective pages but a lot of it is unsourced and simply facts taken from other pages. its quite a big change and i dont really want to produce a whole page only to find its disliked.Lil-unique1 (talk) 06:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good thus far.—Iknow23 (talk) 06:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to say that I don't think it should necessarily be assumed that other editors will agree that all other supposedly "minor" charts (like R&B/Hip Hop Songs) should be merged into a single article, or that the historical details of their construction are necessarily "trivial". That may not be what you are suggesting.  I'm not arguing against making referenced improvements to their content, or making articles more consistent with each other, but what to some editors may be "trivia" is, to others, essential background information.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree thats why i'm going to make an example page and if people don't like it fine, it doesnt have to be used. All im going to say is that all of the billboard pages are tagged needed additional sources and in some cases are completely unsourced. im 100% sure that i can create a fully sourced page which explains about all of the charts. whether this is used or not is the community's decision.Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Hard Rock Albums
Is this a component chart? –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  21:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's a genre chart. Why do you ask?&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Kww. I'm very shaky when it comes to Charts information. I just added charts info on here and wasn't sure what to include. I think I remember Alternative Charts was a component. I looked at WP:USCHARTS for some pointers, and I think the charts I've included on the article are all "normal" charts, right? I couldn't find info on Digital Albums either. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  22:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * People misuse the word "component" all the time. A component chart is a chart that is mathematically related to another chart, sometimes with weighting. A genre chart is one that is filtered by some means. Thus, the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay and the Billboard Hot 100 Sales are both components of the Billboard Hot 100: all those charts use the exact same inclusion rules, and you can mathematically determine the position on the Hot 100 from the positions on the Hot 100 Airplay and Hot 100 Sales. Latin Pop Airplay is not a component of Hot 100 Airplay, because you can't just take all the Latin Pop Airplay and Tropical Airplay and Country Airplay and add them together to get the Hot 100 Airplay. All those charts overlap, and they are not components of the Hot 100. They may be components of another chart, though: R&B Airplay and R&B Sales are components of Hot R&B Songs, even though R&B Airplay isn't a component of Hot 100 Airplay.
 * Looking over yours, "Digital Albums" is the only one that there is any doubt about in my mind.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for explaining. Since the Billboard charts article doesn't specify if Digital Album is component or not, then I have no clue whether I should leave it or not. I figure it's a new chart anyway, with the advent of digital music downloading. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  22:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Holiday Songs
It seems every time I check out Billboard, there's a new chart or one I've never heard of. This article mentions a Holiday Digital Songs chart (officially called "Holiday/Seasonal Digital Songs", and there's also a regular Hot Holiday Songs chart, which is only released during the "winter holiday season", though I'm not sure what the threshold of inclusion is there. The earliest chart week&mdash;for the Hot Holiday Songs, at least&mdash;appears to be November 24, 2007, so it's relatively recent. Could these be added? Yves (talk) 02:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Bubbling Under
I was recently looking at artist discographies, and saw that when a song charted on bubbling under, it was put as 1xx (for example 116 for US or US R&B). While I used to think this was right, the recent revamp of billboard charts tells me otherwise. For instance the the R&B/Hip-Hop chart is now 50 positions, so there is no way that bubbling under is in the 100s. Plus a number of songs in the 51-100 portion of the chart last week fell off this week as a result of the new methodology, and aren't represented at all, whereas songs that were on the bubbling under 100 last week are still bubbling under the top 50 this week. For example, the R&B Songs chart takes the top R&B songs from the R&B Hip-Hop chart. Ciara's "Sorry" is at 20, on that chart, but just misses the mark for the top fifty on R&B/Hip-Hop, but is not represented. Instead, it still has to keep its peak of 75 from last week. Rihannas "Cockiness" on the other hand is 25 on R&B and 7, on bubbling under, but in no way can it be put at 57, when its definattely not. Plus it can't be at 107 as there is no positions 51-100. So, I think a note can be made about bubbling under R&B in discographies, but it should not be in columns (see Chris Brown discography, others). The same should go for bubbling under hot 100 as well, as if billboard reduced hot 100 to 50, all 1xx would not make sense either. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.238.233.1 (talk) 21:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs - Rap Songs R&B Songs
Traditionally "urban" songs charted on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. Now songs charting on this chart are also divided into the R&B Songs chart and the Rap Songs chart. Both of the latter charts split out the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Chart according to rap-based songs and the more traditional R&B songs. Does this not make both charts a component of the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart and thus should not be included? Are these not a subset of charting criteria for the main R&B/Hip-Hop chart? Im confused. Could someone shed/shine some light. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  12:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not think that is a component, Rap songs and R&B songs are charts like any other, I think for the discographies should use the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs normally, but the page of the song can be used all three charts together. Silencio faz bem (talk) 13:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well according to the methidology when it was announced, it said the R&B songs chart is specifically there to view the chart performance of songs which have no hip-hop or rap influences. Hence its the same digital charts and airplay monitoring that goes into the charts. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  22:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe that both the R&B and Raps Songs charts are "component charts" to the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. According to Billboard: R&B Songs "will incorporate the same airplay/sales/streaming hybrid formula to rank the week's top R&B-only (non-rap) titles. R&B Songs and Rap Songs will serve as 25-position distillations of the overall Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, highlighting the differences between pure R&B and rap titles in the overall, wide-ranging R&B/hip-hop field." The two charts should be added to the list under WP:BILLBOARDCHARTS for R&B/hip-hop songs, and as such, should not be listed in chart tables in individual articles if a song has charted on the main R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. For example, Diamonds (Rihanna song) doesn't need to list both the the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart and the R&B Songs chart in the table, although a mention in the article shouldn't be a problem. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 06:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly, the term "distillations" is what seals the deal. I think it should be changed. Out of question I'm confused... is there a Rap Songs and a Rap tracks chart or is there just the one now? &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  13:30, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree, but the Rap Songs chart used to include rhythmic airplay as well, does it not anymore? Plus, I see what you mean for the R&B Songs, as with the main r&B/Hip-Hop reduces to 50 pos. , it shows that haven't made it yet. But what about songs like Brandy's Wildest Dreams, should both be included as it charted on the old R&B/Hip-Hop chart and not the new one yet. --138.238.233.1 (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If the song charted on the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, its peak position on that chart remains the same regardless of methodology. If the change resulted it in falling off R&B/Hip-hop but now its on the new R&B Songs chart, it doesn't change the fact that it had charted on the "main" chart and only that one should be listed (IMO). -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Songs of the Summer?
Every year since 1985, Billboard has published an updated chart every week during the summer based on Hot 100 chart position that would ultimately declare the most popular songs for each summer. For example, 2012's top song was "Call Me Maybe," 2011's was "Party Rock Anthem," and 2010's was "California Gurls". Surely this chart should get its own section here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamZR (talk • contribs) 09:12, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

...and here come some more new charts.
Dance/Electronic songs, Streaming charts, R&B albums: - eo (talk) 15:23, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

What is Top Contemporary Christian chart?
Is the Top Contemporary Christian chart the old term for the Christian Albums Chart. Billboard.com confusingly lists BOTH in Michelle Williams' chart history but when you go to the ALL CHARTS section on this site, Top Contemporary Christian isn't there, only Christian Albums.

Thus I'm confused as to whether Heart to Yours charted on the Christian Albums Chart as its follow-up Do You Know did or whether it is a different chart.

Here is the link to the page http://www.billboard.com/artist/310979/Michelle-Williams/chart?f=317 JonathanLGardner (talk) 22:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's far from the only case. There are five "Digital Songs" charts. I don't understand what it means when there are distinct charts with the same names.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Searching for legacy chart info by artist in the new Billboard has a lot to be desired. I've seen the same chart listed multiple times with the same name and with different names (Billboard 200 and Billboard 200 Albums). Obviously, some serious consolidation of this info is needed to be worthwhile and effective as a tool. To answer the initial question, the Top Contemporary Christian chart is the same as the current Christian Albums. From print archives, I found a switch from "Contemporary Christian" to "Christian" in the September 27, 2003 issue. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 09:55, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your responses! JonathanLGardner (talk) 15:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Billboard no longer posting peak positions in artist's Chart History?
I've recently noticed that when I go onto an artist's Chart History page, Billboard only displays the current charting position of a song but for song's which have already peaked, the site just seems to list a random week or the song's last position on the chart instead of the peak position, even when you select "Sort by: Peak". Here is one example http://www.billboard.com/artist/305688/kelly-rowland/chart?sort=position&f=379 JonathanLGardner (talk) 11:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Heatseeker Songs
Daddy Yankee has had two singles reach the top 50 of the Billboard Hot 100 as a solo artist. "Gasolina" (#32) in 2004 and "Rompe" (#24) in 2005. This would make his subsequent singles ineligible for the Heatseeker Songs chart according to this article and Billboard. His 2013 single "Limbo" has peaked at #23 on the Heatseeker Songs chart. Is there a reason why this have happened? —  Diva    Knockouts   04:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Four Thirds
Four charts are listed as "One of three component charts of the Hot 100"

This seems a bit contradictory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.76.44 (talk) 23:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Airplay, sales, and streaming components. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:34, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * So why are there four "One of three component charts of the Hot 100" - Hot 100 Airplay, Hot Singles Sales, Digital Songs, Streaming Songs/On-Demand Songs. There are definitely four charts listed as component charts of the Hot 100.  My guess is that one of them (streaming?) is new and it hasn't been updated on here? In fact the Hot 100 page itself refers to 4 component charts, and these are only "the most significant", indicating three are more, smaller ones.Auto98uk (talk) 14:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There are three components: airplay, sales, and streaming. Sales is combined from physical sales (Hot Singles Sales) and digital (Digital Songs), although CDs and any other physical media barely makes a dent in overall sales. So 4 charts for 3 components. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Update of lists and titles needed
It seems like some more lists have been discontinued and the word "Top" have been removed from the most of the lists. See the charts page at Billboard. Anyone interested are welcome to check and change. :-) /PatrikN (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * These lists for the song and album charts are more complete. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 12:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Twitter Realtime charts
Looks like Billboard has rolled out some new charts: Billboard Twitter Real-Time Charts FAQ - eo (talk) 17:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Source
I'm doing some research for the Billboard (magazine) page and came across this source. It appears to have a substantial, in-depth, academic analysis on the impact of the Billboard charts, as well as a list of charts and the dates they were introduced. I noticed it wasn't used on this page yet and thought I would share it. David King, Ethical Wiki (Talk) 16:17, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

National albums/music charts
Proposal to rename, where appropriate, national music charts articles to territory and format rather than official name, so Swedish music charts rather than Sverigetopplistan, etc. Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Record Charts.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  10:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Canadian charts outdated?
According to Billboard, the (unsourced) AC Airplay and Hot AC Airplay charts have apparently been combined into Canada AC. I'd update the table, but the older charts have slightly-different criteria and I can't find the Canada AC criteria. Anyone with access to the info is free to have at it (I'm copyediting "Make Me Like You", a future FAC).  Mini  apolis  15:49, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Does Billboard still cover video game charts?

 * Billboard charts previously covered bestselling computer software in the 1980's. When did they stop doing that?  It should be mentioned in the article of course.   D r e a m Focus  13:39, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Christmas
Billboard seasonally puts out a Christmas chart for albums and singles, but I think it's an on-and-off thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.212.35 (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Please fix article's tables
Somebody needs to fix the tables in this article. They seem to be "nesting", starting with the first table - meaning we're seeing tables within tables. I'm familiar with tables, but this is a bit beyond my pay grade. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 15:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Took one more look and saw the first table was never closed, which resulted in putting the remainder of the article within it. I closed the table and that took care of the problem. Allreet (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Charts list
Charts list needs updated. Emerging Artists List is not included. Will need to review to see if any others are missing. TylerJWhit (talk) 18:43, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Separate article for World Digital Song Sales
Could the World Digital Song Sales chart be acceptable as a separate article? There are many articles about songs and artists that refer to this chart but redirect to the general Billboard charts page that does not give any more information about it. StepYoshi (talk) 13:54, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree that the chart deserves a page of its own. Although I'm sure senior editor Robert McClenon can advise better, I'm not sure why this new page for "World Digital Song Sales" is being referred to as WP:SPLIT from this BB charts page. It is only one of the listed charts, not a portion of the main text about charts.


 * And, StepYoshi, before uploading your new page from Draft:World Digital Song Sales, remember to tag the Redirect page here: for permission to delete it, so that you will be credited as the creator for the new page that you have put a lot of good work into. (The Template you use is Template:Db-g6. The reason you may type in the template is: "to create an article with the same name". You don't have to notify the editor who created the Redirect, but you might, out of courtesy, leave a message on their Talk page. Just keep an eye on the approval for the G6, so that you can upload your page soon after.) I am not sure about the AfC process, perhaps the editor/administrator that approves your Draft article may be able to delete the Redirect for you? Again pinging Robert McClenon (sorry), who might be able to advise on this.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 22:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Bonnielou2013 - Maybe I have confused things by referring to a spin out as a form of splitting. The question is whether to create a new article with content from a draft, where there is currently a redirect to the article.  If there is agreement to accept the draft, I can accept the draft.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop
I have not been able to find any evidence of this chart after January 2020, specifically the week right before "Yummy" by Justin Bieber hit the Hot 100. Old links to the chart just redirect to the Billboard homepage and individual artist pages for peaks on that chart are only accessible if you have the URL and may not load properly. Did Billboard discontinue this chart or is it just hidden behind a paywall? CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

New Charts
Billboard released 43 top 25 charts for individual charts 2 months ago, yet I have not seen them on this page as of yet. This includes but is not limited to Mexico, France, Colombia, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Sweden, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Belgium, Finland, Austria, Argentina, Romania, Philippines, Poland, Hong Kong, Iceland, Singapore, Norway, Netherlands, Taiwan, Switzerland, Portugal, Ecuador, Luxembourg, Peru, Malaysia, Indonesia, Slovakia, Brazil, Chile, UK, Denmark, Czechia, Hungary, India, Croatia, Turkey, Russia, and Bolivia.--Michael Ly Vietnam (talk) 06:31, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

The
People, it's "THE Billboard Hot 100." It's part of the title - look up any artist on billboard.com, and it'll be shown like that. (unlike the other charts, which are simply "Hot 100 Airplay," etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.178.227 (talk) 02:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)