Talk:Black Sails in the Sunset

Album Title
The album name does NOT come from the song by Elvis Costello and the Attractions. It is a coincidence that they have the same title. In fact, AFI's original idea for the album title was "Red Sails in the Sunset," but they changed it to Black at the last minute. Hotdoglives 08:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * why did they want to call it that? I was always under the impression black sails in the sunset referred to the Greek myth.  What would the red signify?

Change of Style
I think something should be said about the change of style. Listening to Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes, there is a rather dramatic diffrence is style. "Shut Your Mouth..." had more standard Hardcore Punk leanings, where Black Sails is more atmospheric and melancholy.
 * Black Sails is most certainly where AFI began to "tone it down" - I don't really have a problem with people calling this a Hardcore Punk album, but I'd put it more within the beginning of their "Punk Rock" era, rather than their "Hardcore Punk" era.
 * In fact, I think I'll put Punk Rock in the genre field, under Hardcore Punk. If anyone is drastically offended or strongly disagrees, they can feel free to remove it. - Enzo Dragon 08:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * When I think of punk, or any musical genre, I think of it's fore-fathers and how they sound against that backround. So for punk, the Sex Pistols, The Ramones, Buzzcocks and to a lesser degree Dead Kennedys are the early sound and look of punk-rock. Then, when hardcore began emerging we had the DC sound, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, and Black Flag. Now, Black Sails certainly doesn't sound like any Sex Pistols, Ramones, so next it's hardcore-punk, but the songs are constructed in a more melodic, sensitive way. The tempo is slower than what could be consider hardcore-punk, and while screaming is present, it's still intelligible. So, I'm having trouble associating this with "traditional" punk, and just as much with "hardcore" punk. Thoughts? FerventDove 18:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll say that it is a an album with a mixture of punk rock gothic punk and hardcore punk. as it seems to be more hardcore punk than original punk rock but less like original hardcore punk.


 * Dead Kennedys where hardcore, I wouldn't list them as one of the fore-fathers, even to a lesser extent. Although they are awesome.--142.167.32.34 18:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

In this album AFI definately changed their style.The move from hardcore punk to punk rock with a dark, melodic and dramatic sound with deathrock and horror punk elements, influenced by goth music.Punk Rock would be good.And goth punk I guess.Xr 1 20:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

It probably should be melodic hardcore, but now I need to find a source for it. 2.49.123.6 (talk) 07:07, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Deleted sourced information and picture
I'll admit, I may have rewrote several things on the original article, only because I felt it needed more information, and that Wikipedia considered deleting the 'note' column. So I tried trimming it down into 'track notes' and I come back to find them VERY trimmed down, leaving out half the other information. I understood, and simply corrected what the user (kind of) slopped down, and now...it's just gone (the picture of the To Beyond and All Time I Stand spine). Half of the information deserves to be removed, but that simply makes it a stub. Who in their right mind would've removed all of this?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitefirre (talk • contribs) 21:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * However, I change my mind on that last problem. I reread the article and think it looks much more clean and improved. I'm also glad my 'release' column was kept. However, I do think the picture should stay, considering its custom photography and fits well in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitefirre (talk • contribs) 21:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

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