Talk:Black women/Archive 1

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 January 2021 and 7 May 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Anastaciam. Peer reviewers: Destinyg99.

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Direction for this page?
We were wondering what your planned edits to the Black Women page are, because as it currently stands the topic appears to be too broad and can risk lumping a diverse group of people together. Black women are a huge demographic and trying to contain this is one very broad article could be potentially problematic.

Also, the current content of the article is a bit US-centric. The lists of significant black women in politics and popular culture and famous leaders are currently far from exhaustive and risk diminishing the achievements of black women in these fields.

This page is rated as a start-class of high importance by WikiProject_African_diaspora and a number of other WikiProjects, so I would be interested to hear their aspirations for this page and perhaps we could help get the page there. Odderlily (talk) 10:15, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for Additions to the Article: Deeper Explanation of Blackness
This page should foreground the fact that "Blackness" as a concept/identity is a colonial invention created by Europeans to justify slavery in the Americas & various forms of theft/exploitation on the African continent. It should also mention that fact Blackness as an identity is not salient among some Afro-descended peoples - especially people in Africa who have historically had little contact with whites and Afro-descended people in the Americas who have been labeled with and/or chosen to adopt other racial/ethnic identities. It should mention that Blackness is an identity that is often but not always forced upon people and often but not always embraced by Afro-descended peoples. And the article should mention that there are Black people with very deep roots in places like India. http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20160801-indias-forgotten-jungle-dwellers https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations-a-narrative-bibliography/372000/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14725843.2015.1113120 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_hsWRVR8_M&list=LL84N9xFGNAhbV_XXnSjoHgg&index=5&t=3s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:4601:C053:280B:F43F:2255:6CC (talk) 18:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia and to this article! You have some good ideas, and have included some sources in your comment.  As you seem to be aware, this article is not in good shape.  Feel free to improve it as you have suggested above.  If you need help (tips on how to cite sources, pointers to templates and editing tools, questions about policy or style guidelines, etc.), feel free to ask; the easiest way to reach me, personally, is my talk page.  You can also find help on the helpdesk and the teahouse.~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:16, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Black internationalism
What does "Black internationalism" even got to do with this page on black women?????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LostCitrationHunter (talk • contribs) 17:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the section isn't very clear on the connection, but I think the first of the sources makes it pretty clear. (The second source is more tangential to the issue.) --bonadea contributions talk 19:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * https://sas-space.sas.ac.uk/5221/1/1689-2174-1-PB.pdf might be helpful. As Umoren notes "Black internationalism has  generated  wide  scholarship" we probably ought to have a stand-alone article on Black Internationalism. Vexations (talk) 20:05, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

The un-encyclopediac intro
Now before reading, assume a 13 year old girl is giving a speech. Now lets read the intro

"Blackness as a concept is a colonial invention, which was used to justify slavery based on the ever-shifting, socially constructed definitions of race. Who is defined by others as Black and who defines themselves as Black continues to evolve across time and different societies.[1] This means the term "Black women" describes a multi-faceted cultural identity with different meanings around the world."

"Blackness as a concept is a colonial invention" is particularly problematic, you could say "Black people is a racialized classification of people done historically during the colonial periods" and that would be fine (this is based on the intro of Black people) but saying blackness is a colonial invention sounds bs.

"Who is defined by others as Black and who defines themselves as Black continues to evolve across time and different societies" once again sounds like it is written by a new/younger volunteer (I read the tiles in the beginning and turns out yes a student volunteer wrote it, not that its a crime) A more neutral term would be "Who is considered as a Black women often depends on the context of time and culture and as a result the definition of the term continues to evolve frequently"

--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 06:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization
edited the article to change many uses of 'black' to the capitalized 'Black'. They were partially reverted by. As of this posting, the articles is mixed in its usage. Per MOS:PEOPLELANG, either style is acceptable, and we shouldn't be switching between acceptable styles without discussion. I support using the capital 'Black'. Firefangledfeathers 20:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So do I. I just edited accordingly, feel free to comment and to return to the earlier use of lower case "black". --Rsk6400 (talk) 05:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

What about Australian Aborigines and Melanesians?
The first sentence of the article currently states "Black women are women of Sub-Saharan African and Afro-diasporic descent." But Australian Aborigines and Melanesians (and perhaps many others) are also generally called "black." I am editing the sentence to read "Black women are women of Sub-Saharan African and Afro-diasporic descent, as well as women of Australian Aborigines and Melanesian descent." The rest of the article should be edited to add information about these non-African black women. Vontheri (talk) 02:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)