Talk:Bricolage

Definition
I don't agree with the opening definition "A bricoleur is a person who creates things from scratch" since this is contradicted by the rest of the article. I have changed it to "A bricoleur is a person who creates things from existing materials".--RichardVeryard 17:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * 'Tinkering' is surely a misleading translation of 'bricolage' in the sense of putting bits and pieces together to create something new. I'm not quite sure what the best translation would be here, but 'tinkering' suggests messing around with something, not always in a good way (it often comes close to 'tampering' - one definition reads 'attempting to repair or improve something in a casual or desultory way', as in 'I wish he'd stop tinkering with the car - if it ain't broke, don't fix it!'). Perhaps 'cobbling together' or 'patching together' come closest, but dictionaries insist on putting 'tinkering' first, probably because they're determined to find one brief, all-purpose translation (which simply doesn't exist).
 * 'Bricolage' generally sounds positive, rough-and-ready but not quick-and-dirty (it's the normal French word for 'DIY', and is used on shop signs), whereas 'tinkering' generally doesn't (rather than putting things together, it suggests taking them apart without really knowing how to put them back together).188.203.49.105 (talk) 14:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I think you have a point there. Wikipedia rules require that you find a WP:RS, but if one can be found it can at least be added as an alternative definition.  Reify-tech (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Structure
I have grouped some of the topics together, which I think should improve readability.--RichardVeryard 17:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have moved the recently-added section on Sherry Turkle from the Science section to the Information Technology section, since Turkle's usage seems to be a continuation/development of Ciborra's usage. --RichardVeryard 12:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Biologists
I have added a link to an article by PZ Myers. I am aware that there is some discussion on Myers' notability for Wikipedia purposes. I have no opinion on this, but the article seems like a useful source for a discussion of bricolage in biology. --RichardVeryard 23:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Lévi-Strauss
Someone has just deleted the following assertion without explanation: "The term was coined by French anthropologist Claude Lévi-Strauss." This assertion had been there since November 18th 2005. If if wasn't Lévi-Strauss, then who was it? Can we have a reference either way please? --RichardVeryard 23:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sleeve artwork for the Amon Tobin album of the same name does attribute a quote about Bricolage to Strauss, but it's not in the current article. Can't find it in the history either. Blendage 14:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A quick internet search for Levi-Strauss and bricolage produces loads of material, including some quotes from Levi-Strauss about bricolage.  . See also this article by Derrida on Structure, Sign, and Play in the Discourse of the Human Sciences --RichardVeryard 10:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Who gives a rat's arse about Amon Tobin? Levi-Strauss is the most obvious originator for this term as we now konw it. Read 'The Savage Mind'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.128.27 (talk) 15:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Spelling
Is "Bricolur" correct spelling? That's how it was spelled in Marathon (see the Computer Game addition) but I didn't see this spelling anywhere else.


 * Actually, according to Bungie's website wherein they have the screens from the game they show the spelling as "bricoleur."   The screen is about 3/4 down the page.  Msr iaidoka 09:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Four things:
 * That isn't one of Bungie's websites (bungie.com or bungie.net), that's bungie.org, the most popular Bungie fansites on the net to be sure, but not ACTUALLY part of Bungie.
 * It isn't a screenshot, it's a carefully coded reproduction of the games' original terminal system in HTML.
 * French Wiktionary says that bricoler is the verb, bricoleur the nown
 * I noticed that the Marathon reference is the seventh one, perfect touch.
 * The tru7h is out there, man, and it's gonna get you! 76.126.134.152 (talk) 02:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Bricloler is the verb, bricoleur is the noun.

Defn
I would imagine that Derrida and his followers would be happy to term a bricolage that is respectful of the items that it seeks to include. &mdash; F red  114  05:48, 21 November 2016 (UTC)