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Bardot and Trintignant
It's stated in the article that "She may have had an affair with her co-star Trintignant but this was more likely a pre-release publicity gimmick." In fact not only did the two have an affair, but they actually lived together for about 2 years - Bardot herself wrote about it in her autobiography "Initiales B.B.". (ISBN 2-246-52601-9 (fr.) I don't know if it was published in English, myself I read its Russian translation ISBN 5-7027-0889-X ) Also, it was written that her father's name is Charles whereas it's Louis. Charles is the name of her grandfather. I think this information should be corrected. Betty kerner (talk) 15:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Le Pen
read this http://fr.news.yahoo.com/19042007/202/presidentielle-brigitte-bardot-a-decide-de-ne-pas-voter.html she's never publicly supported le pen. her latest husband used to be an advisor of le pen but that doesnt mean she's a lepenist herself. thanks
 * She's now supporting Le Pen, she ask French mayors to give the 500 signatures allowing Le Pen to be a presidential candidates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.80.148.38 (talk) 06:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * These comments, and the page itself, are among the worst "factual" writing on wikipedia. Poor Bardot. It's apparently very very important that she was "born a brunette." I think I'll go and edit some bios of contemporary men to say they were born "with hair," only to become bald later. Come on, people. Try to actually focus on Bardot, the person. Not her hair color.LeVeillé (talk) 03:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Bardot apolitical
"Today, she is one of the world's most respected and influential political and animal rights activists."

Photo
Did someone know something about this photo ? Was it in 1953 or 1956 had it been published ? Is it stock photography from a press agency ? IMO the photo come from a local photographer from Cannes and thus it could be easy for me to contact the rights owner but I may be wrong. Ericd 12:33, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)



(My God she was so cute - As time goes bye)

Wrinkled statements removed
I've removed : "But Bardot was engaged in the sunbathing craze of the 1950s and '60s. As a result, her skin became heavily sun damaged, though its effects took many years to manifest.  Today, she is wrinkled far more than her age would generally warrant." IMO this fail NPOV. She's 70 years old. She is wrinkled as many people at that age without surgeon's help. Ericd 16:27, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I got the information from the Parade magazine. Someone asked why Bardot looked so old.  They showed a photo and said it was because her skin was so damaged from sunbathing when younger.  You can leave the text out if you like, but I know a few 70 year olds and they aren't nearly as wrinkled as Bardot is.    &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 19:26, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, but many older people look much older than other older people. It's a matter of the genes. When a woman looks beautiful at a very young age, as Bardot did in her teens, it is often the case that she ages more quickly that a woman who doesn't mature physically until later in life. There is no scientific basis to the assertion that Bardot got more sun than many other young people in the sixties or has aged a great deal because of it. Papa'sHeir, December 13, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papa'sHeir (talk • contribs) 23:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Neither is there any scientific basis for the claim above that when a woman looks beautiful at a very young age ... it is often the case that she ages more quickly....

97.124.210.152 (talk) 05:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I had added something to the article about this that got deleted - I've read it in more than one place - the link I had posted in the reference - that's her when she was in her 50s. Ask any dermatologist - she is extremely wrinkled for her age and has been for many years. The result of her keeping a San Tropez tan (not to mention smoking), which she popularized. 165.189.169.190 (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Since you brought it up, I can add that she started aging so early and looks older NOT just because of sunbathing - the other causes of it may be that she has smoked from early age, never used skincare nor had a facelift (she said it yourself). Anyway, why are you insisting on it being mentioned in the article? I personally don't think it's worth to be mentioned. (Honestly, a more detailed review of her cinema career would be more useful than this). Leave it to tabloids. Let people just see her photos and decide themselves whether she is too wrinkled for her age or not. Best--Betty kerner (talk) 12:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Another reason for her having aged is that she used to have breast cancer. In many cases, cancer causes the ageing process (including wrinkling), to accelerate. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:07, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is Bardot a gay icon? Really? Because she has made many homophobic remarks- Kind of hard to be a "gay icon".


 * Gay people seem to (or used to) love her ( trying not to generalize) but she doesnt seem to love them; yet she has gay friends.

-- Despite some opinions that probably have been taken out of context in her books or her spoken remarks, a discussion of gayness in relation to BB is largely irrelevant. Clearly the woman is heterosexual and her film work meant a great deal to millions of straight men. What she does or doesn't evoke in gay men isn't very important, hence it is improper to make the BB entry a place for gratuitous digs against her reputation just because some gays correctly or incorrectly perceive that she isn't exactly enamored of gays or the gay lifestyle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papa'sHeir (talk • contribs) 23:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Papa'sHeir makes sense here. I dont see how Bardot is "afraid of homosexuals" and actually the whole "gay icon" thing is very POV. Personally I am 110% straight and proud, for sure an admirer of BB too, so does this make her a "straight icon"?? - Animagentile (talk) 01:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I guess she might be considered a gay icon by some because of the lesbian scene in "Don Juan 73". Who knows... Personally I think that calling Bardot "gay icon" would be inaccurate, especially taking into account recent controversy... --Betty kerner (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Vegetarian? Vegan?
Is she a vegetarian or a vegan then? (since she's so full of her animal rights crap)

i dont know, she rants on gays arent human, blacks arent human or muslims arent human etc. but she loves minks (she dont want to wear clothes anyway) or poodles her only damn frends she has. i dont like her slutty womens lib ways but her right wing neo fascist rants are worse. shes a low life who got no goals in life but to get on film all nude to screw men. she cheats on her husband. i heard her only son wasnt his. brigete bardot is a sick joke.

personally, i don't understand how the HECK she can be "anti women in government" aka female politicians, yet be so politically active. and if she really were anti powerful women, then why is she herself such a skank and quasi-prostitute? shouldn't she be FOR women's lib and issues like that? and her being an animal rights activist whilst maintaining an extreme right wing view honestly is confusing and full of contradictions to me.. can somebody please explain how/why she got involved w/ a conservative stance? it would help clear up a LOT of questions...
 * I think you're talking about the hypocrisy that comes with age. She behaved in one way when young and has swung to the opposite direction as she has aged. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.118.48.105 (talk) 18:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

this is incredibly biased typical liberal view here if the woman hold strong animal rights views thats up to her none of your business thats not got any political slant but you being a gay loving muslim sympathiser is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.37.108 (talk) 10:15, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

There is no contradiction in her being an animal rights activist and a nationalist. In fact, some of it ties in together: one of the reasons she is anti-Islam is because, due to their religion, Muslims insist on ritually slaughtering sheep without stunning them first. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Camille Javal
I had heard that BBs real name was Camille Javal. On typing this into Wiki, I was redirected to this page. Unfortunately there is no mention of this other name on the page. Confusing.
 * Camille Javal is the name of her role in Contempt (film). Redirection has been corrected125.225.75.101 03:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Camille Javal is her birth name. You can look it up in film books. Her character name in Contempt was based on her birth name.

There seems to be enormous confusion surrounding this question, and various books and websites disagree, so no single one can be taken as a reliable source. However, every source I found that names Bardot's parents agrees that they were M and Mme Bardot, so why on earth would her birth name be "Javal"? Surely it's more probable that the child had the same surname as her parents, and that "Camille Javal" was indeed just a character she played in a film, rather than that she was given a completely different surname from her parents at birth, then changed it to her parents' name for work purposes, but played a character in a film who was given her true birth name as a kind of in-joke? A reliable source for this piece of basic information must exist somewhere! --Karenjc 08:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * BB's biography "Bardot - Two Lives" by Jeffrey Robinson (1994), ISBN 5-88590-749-8 - it is stated there that it's a common myth that Bardot's real name is Camille Javal. Betty kerner (talk) 08:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

What, no photo?
Surely one as photogenic as BB deserves a photo? I will try and find a nice one ... SmokeyTheCat 11:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Will the photo reveal her divergent strabismus?Lestrade (talk) 23:35, 16 July 2012 (UTC)Lestrade

Dates for And God Created Woman
There seems to be some contradiction here surrounding the dates for And God Created Woman, listed as 1952 in the text and 1956 in the Filmography. According to the Internet Movie Database, the film is from 1956, but as I was about to correct the text here, I noticed that it states that this was her first film, yet other films are listed before it in the Filmography! Not sure where the problem is but something's wrong... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerryf (talk • contribs) 12:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

i never saw her in movies, but she sounds pretty kool! lol -Anyomyus

Picture used in infobox
Thirdship, I disagree with how the pictures are displayed for 2 main reasons. 1. The younger BB pic is not a good one. It is actually pretty bad. 2. the article should have the most recent pic. I mean, if we follow your rationale (when the person became famous), and actor with a long career who is still working and making somewaht successful films but had 1 hit in the 50s, should have that pic in the infobox, instead of a recent one. -- Char leen mer ced  Talk  14:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that blond screenshot is better than the pic of white hair. Trailer screenshot better shows her face - for the infobox, the recent photo doesn't show her face so well, good for article though. She retired from the actor activity in 1970s, her film career was short. Thirdship (talk) 20:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thirdship, I think you've added some very good images to many articles, but in this case I agree with Charleenmerced. This is just a bad picture.   The more recent one is actually a very good image.   Rossrs (talk) 08:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, the older picture is very clear.-- Char leen mer ced  Talk  13:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * She is most noted for her acting career and place as a "sex kitten". If there is a free image (as provided by a user in this case) of her from that period then its worth having up there. Her earlier life is more notable than her retired life. - Animagentile (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well the picture now in the article certainly is umm... a very nice improvement. This woman has to be the closest thing to perfection. - Gennarous (talk) 16:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The quality of this picture is much better than the other one. -- Char leen mer ced  Talk  21:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, that new picture is great, Bardot looks like a true sex kitten in it, so one can see what "all that fuss" was about ;) --Betty kerner (talk) 21:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Is the French bullying of Bardot a human rights violation?
In relation to the most recent attempts the French courts have made against Bardot, isn't this a violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, most specifically Article 19: Freedom of opinion and expression the way they have pestered her repeatedly for her expression in support of animal rights by claiming she is "inciting racial hatred"? Obviously this is a controversial field, but I feel this should be mentioned in her article to give a more fair and balanced portrail of her. - Gennarous (talk) 16:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's indeed a very controversial subject. Look, Bardot has a right to express her opinions, for sure. But she didn't just tell her neighbor about her ill will: it all was published in mass media. So it's more like propaganda, this way. Her opinions and the way she expressed them might have caused harm and may be interpreted as " an act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms" (art. 30) set in the Declaration of Human Rights cited above.


 * According to the Declaration, people have a right "for freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state", i.e. immigration (Art. 13), "to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution" (art. 14 ), "for freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance" (art 18), and "men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. (art 16)


 * Bardot started propaganda against these things - immigration, interracial marriages, religious worship, i.e. she violated other people's rights by publicly denying them (which is interpreted as incitement to discrimination).


 * I strongly suggest removing unsourced controversial claims. It violates NPOV — because this is an effort to give some certain "portrait" of a person, instead of just citing facts and letting readers form opinions about her themselves — as it's expected for an encyclopedia. ("A type of analysis of facts that can lead to the article suggesting a particular point of view's accuracy over other equally valid analytic perspectives.") This article is not perfect as it is to compromise it even more.--Betty kerner (talk) 22:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)--Betty kerner (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we just have to present facts, not to analyze the events & give our own opinions - let readers themselves decide whether it was a violation or not.--Betty kerner (talk) 20:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Given that she also argued in her book against "the mixing of genes" (ie interracial relationships), I think it's safe to concude that she is, in fact, a racist. 71.203.209.0 (talk) 20:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The french govt and all other govts of the world kill hundreds of thousands of cows everyday, why does she label only muslims for killing animals. McDonalds is not owned by muslims, and they kill millions of cows a year commercially and yet she doesnt fight against them 72.226.76.120 (talk) 04:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC) nancy oh
 * In fact she complained about killing them by throwing them from a roof onto the ground - that's what she was unhappy about. At slaughters, they usually stun animals before actually killing them. --Betty kerner (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Lead section
Currently, the lead section of this article looks like this:
 * Brigitte Bardot (French pronunciation: [bʁi.ʒit baʁ.do]) (born 28 September 1934) is a French actress, former fashion model, singer and animal welfare/rights activist. In 2007 she was named among Empire's 100 Sexiest Film Stars.[3]


 * After her retirement from the entertainment industry in the 1970s, Bardot established herself as an animal rights activist. During the 1990s she became outspoken in her criticism of immigration, interracial relationships, Islam in France and homosexuality[4], and has been convicted five times for "inciting racial hatred".[5][6]

Maybe it's just me, but something seems wrong when more emphasis is given in the lead to Bardot's convictions for racism than to her earlier career; that smacks of WP:Recentism to me. Bardot is primarily famous as an actress and sex symbol of the 1950s and 60s; the only reason her later, controversial statements were even reported was because she was famous already. But as it is at the moment, if someone who wasn't familiar with her just read the lead, they'd probably get the impression she's a famous racist who happened to have a film career rather than the other way around. Terraxos (talk) 04:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I added a bit, hope it's better this way.--Betty kerner (talk) 01:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Mentions of Bardot in music
You forgot the most important song, Initials BB by Serge Gainsbourg. He wrote it when she left him to go to "Almeria" to play a part with Sean Connery. And also Comic Strip still by Serge Gainsbourg. Both of them are on deezer if you want to listen to them.

She's also mentioned in, "The Naughty Little Flea" by Miriam Makeba at Berns Salonger.

Breast cancer
During which years did she have breast cancer? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In the beginning of 1980s.--Betty kerner (talk) 21:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

"Homophobia" category
I've removed this category as something that inaccurately portrays a living person. This is for a couple of reasons: There's basically no reason to suggest she's homophobic (hating/scared of homosexuals). She's whatever "hating modern stereotypical homosexual culture" is in greek, but that isn't the category name. Including such a category gives a completely incorrect impression. Ironholds (talk) 17:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Bardot's statement was against a certain aspect of modern "gay culture", not against homosexuality; it's the difference between saying you hate curry and you hate Indians.
 * 2) Bardot has countered all claims of inherent homophobia there, saying that she has a lot of homosexual friends and that her statement was specifically against the modern culture, not the act.


 * Bardot has referred to gay people as "circus freaks"/"fairground freaks" . And by "certain aspects of modern gay culture" she means that we now campaign for rights. Her some-of-my-best-friends-are-gay defense really doesn't cut it. David Duke and Jean-Marie Le pen also deny they're racists.
 * Fair enough - I'll include it and add the Guardian link too. My only problem was that the in-article references didn't support the point. Ironholds (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * From the definition of Category:Homophobia as relating to "[...]individuals that are particularly noted for being homophobic or for being opposed to homophobia[...]", this reference does not seem to justify by itself the inclusion in the category. Anyway, just my 2cts. Cheers Antipastor (talk) 18:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * But virtually every recent article on her deals in some way with her social views. They've become very much a part of her claim to fame for the younger generations who don't remember her film career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.13.141.56 (talk) 23:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * See Recentism. Category:Homophobia "is not intended for groups or individuals who have made homophobic remarks and related actions but are not considered widely known for their homophobic stances", and Bardot is more known for modelling and films than she is for homophobia overall. Ironholds (talk) 23:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Considering also your first comment (the fact that she at least tried to deny her comments) is a second reason not to include her. Antipastor (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

"Homophobia" means "fear of the same." To think that it means anything else is pure ignorance and stupidity.

Politics, controversy and legal issues
Sarah Palin is the former governor of Alaska, not the former mayor as stated in that section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apiquet (talk • contribs) 06:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Signature
A signature file has recently been added. What are the Wiki policies on verifying a signature for use in a BLP? --BweeB (talk) 12:14, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am removing the recently added signature pending other opinions re WP:Signatures_of_living_persons. --BweeB (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Birthplace?
The English language version of this article indicates her birthplace as Ontario while the French and other versions indicate it as Paris. I think the accuracy of this article should be signaled as questionable or at least in need of a reference.

92.147.229.96 (talk) 16:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Beautiful Photo
This is one of the best photos of Brigitte, but unfortunately it isn't public domain for Wikipedia. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 16:30, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/headshot-of-brigitte-bardot-french-actress-model-and-singer-news-photo/119119790