Talk:Bring Me to Life

SingStar Pop Hits
should we mention it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SingStar_Pop_Hits -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.98.157 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 3 February 2008
 * I really don't see a reason to do so...it doesn't seem like a particularly notable inclusion, and I imagine that Evanescence songs have featured in any number of video games. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 21:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"Remix" version
The new kid band Remix did a version of the song depicting scenes from the book "Frankenstein" by Mary Shelley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.80.111 (talk) 00:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

rock
It would be wrong to label the genre of this song as 'alternative metal'. this song is linked with the rock music genre everywhere. It won best hard rock performance, it's in the vh1 list of 100 greatest hard rock songs and it's also in the list of 100 best rock songs of the decade. I believe the genre is rock and not alternative metal. It sounds nothing like alternative metal but has a few elements. plus adding alternative metal to this song makes it somewhat an alternative rock song. But this song is not 'alternative' it is 'rock' and nothing more. Do not mind if I change it. Sometimes wikipedia is one of the worst genre classifiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.55.141 (talk) 17:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * What you are describing is called Original Research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. If you can find Reliable Sources which can back up your claim that "Alternative Metal" (established by consensus) is not a proper genre classification (which is, by the way, a sub-classification of the Rock genre), then by all means, change it. But until there are proper sources to describe the song otherwise, the article should remain labeled as the band's genre--Alternative Metal.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  19:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

continuation for 'rock'
i'm sorry I assaulted you without proper consensus. I'll go with your decision. But I still mentioned three sources which might classify this song as 'rock'. By the way, I already know that 'alternative metal' is a sub-category for rock. But it is mainly a fusion genre of 'alternative rock' and 'heavy metal'. Talking about the band's genre, not all their songs have to be necessarily 'alternative metal'. By the way amy lee herself has stated the band is rock with some metal and classical music elements despite the fact that they are labeled as 'alternative rock', 'hard rock', post-grunge', 'alternative metal', 'gothic rock/metal', nu metal among other genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.135.28 (talk) 13:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Return
Can someone please tell me why this song and "My Immortal" return back on charts several years after their releasings? Thank you. 123.26.113.225 (talk) 08:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hard to say...probably something simply triggered a resurgence of interest in Evanescence, and being the most well-known song, it got extra playtime. I've not seen anything published which made a mention of why. — Huntster (t @ c) 11:49, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

You're making a grammatical error. If you say "return" there's no need to add "back" after it. I had to correct a similar grammar error in the article, in the part that originally said "[...] must to have male vocals" because modal verbs such as "must" take a bare infinitive (a form of the infinitive without "to")--Marceki111 (talk) 11:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the error in the article, but this is a talk page (from January), not article space. There be can have errors for grammar here.  It doesn't have to be perfect, this is only for discussion on improving the article. ;)  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  22:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

"Bring Me to Life", also known as "Wake Me Up Inside", or "Save Me", is...
It is a fact! Please google for example "Wake Me Up Inside" and you will see lots and lots of results. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.80.216.17 (talk) 07:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Not even remotely true. Please back up this statement with a strong, valid source. — Huntster (t @ c) 09:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Release date
According to this, the CD single was released on April 7, and the Maxi single was released on April 14. My love is love (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Misattributed Quote
I may have found a problem with the "Covers and usage in media" section:

"Agnés later revealed why she sang "Bring Me to Life", "Full disclosure: I hate Evanescence. Fine, so I'm only familiar with their smash hit "Bring Me to Life," probably because I had to listen to it every friggin' day when I sold sneakers at the Paramus Modell's in high school. But I still have strong feelings about the song, as I find it stupid and overly dramatic."[71]"

The article cited is written by Karl de Vries, a writer for The Star-Ledger. The quote used in this Wikipedia article and attributed to Ms. Agnes are the words of Mr. de Vries himself, and not those of Ms. Agnes. There's nothing in the article that suggests that the words were actually said by Ms. Agnes and the paragraph that follows the quote suggests that while he hates Evanescence, he liked Ms. Agnes's performance of the song. --Mr. Corgi (talk) 03:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely right. The editor who added this "quote" must have assumed that the bold text and colon meant that the text that followed was a quote by that person, not simply a header to describe the one individual's performance by the article's writer.  I have removed both the false quote and the reference call.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  03:41, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I would have removed it myself, but I couldn't figure out how to properly remove the reference without screwing everything else up. I'm still sort of new to this! --Mr. Corgi (talk) 03:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Rap rock?
It's not really rap rock, it had a couple of rap elements but there is not really rapping in it, both vocalists were singing it's more like alternative rock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.191.182.228 (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand that's your opinion, but the "rap rock" is sourced, so please do not change it again. — Huntster (t @ c) 07:00, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Is one source really enough to put it on there, when it's clear that MTV really means "nu-metal", which is what the song is and has more sources? --68.185.2.34 (talk) 18:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Decade end charts
I visit the page frequently and i just noticed that the song's ranking on the decade end billboard rock songs changed, i dont remember exaclty what the ranking was but im sure it wasnt as high as #7, i think it was in the 20s or somthing. I tried to verify the source, but the link is dead, i tried to look on billboard but i couldnt find it 24.227.9.114 (talk) 18:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Maximilian Pirner: Sleepwalker
This painting could be a possible inspiration for the music video, IMHO.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/c70a3dcf310e1bea518feaa2375cb2e5/tumblr_o2e13tjPSo1r2s3h9o1_500.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.41.59.79 (talk) 21:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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Questions
Any particular reason why the "Cultural impact" section still exists in this article? I somehow fail to see its connection to this song now. And also why were all the cover versions of this song removed? I get it for the American Idol performances, but there were a lot of album covers too. My love is love 07:57, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Music video comment relevance
What is the quote "You might not immediately recognize Amy Lee's name, but you would know her if she plummeted past you from the top floor of a tenement building" contributing to the article? It's not critically evaluating the video, nor is it describing or contextualizing it, like the other cited sources are in some capacity. It sounds purely trivial and un-encylcopedic. Lapadite (talk) 13:53, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * It is my belief that this quote helps chronicle just how important this video was to the scene at the time. This was one of the key moments for Evanescence as a band, and is one of rock's biggest MTV successes. I would argue that it at least describes what is happening in the video - Amy did fall off that building. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that it drives home how important to the scene this video was. To me, that sounds relevant.  danny music editor  oops 15:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Genre is invalid
I don't hear any rap in this song, please remove from infobox. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 17:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Is ANYONE going to look at this? I've been waiting patiently for a week. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 19:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ✔️ by Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 21:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Bring Me to Life
This section has been removed twice by user:Lapadite (with the summaries "non-notable and promotional section" and "Rv promotional and trivial section for a cover, out of hundreds of covers a hit song like this would have. Note that artist's cover on that artist's article.") and restored twice by user:Aspects (with the summaries "rv deletion of notable cover version" and "Per WP:BRD, now that a discussion has been started, the article should go back to the stable version with the cover having its own section as it has for over nine years"). Despite the summary, there was no discussion started by either editor, so I've started one.

I don't know that I would call this outright spam or trivia, but I don't know that I would call this a notable cover either. The Katherine Jenkins cover of the song does not have a Wikipedia article, which suggests that this cover is not notable by Wikipedia standards. If it isn't, why are we including this coverage in an article about Evanescence's single? The album the cover is on is notable and does have an article: Believe (Katherine Jenkins album). So what sourcing to we have in this section to support that the cover is itself notable per WP:NSONG? We need references that specifically pertain to the cover song.

Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. and Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created. and Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably-detailed based on facts independent of the original.
 * 1) The cover single apparently charted briefly in Germany and the UK. OK, that's useful. Per WP:NSONG it may be notable.
 * 2) There's no evidence the cover itself has "won one or more significant awards or honors".
 * 3) The cover itself has not been the subject of multiple covers by notable artists.
 * 4) The cover is merely mentioned in passing in several sources:
 * 5) https://web.archive.org/web/20120404183431/http://www.ok.co.uk//celebnews/view/15079/Katherine-I-left-studio-in-tears-/ mentions the cover while discussing the album.
 * 6) https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/mar/05/katherine-jenkins-review? again mentions the single in the context of her new album
 * 7) https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/mar/05/katherine-jenkins-review? simply mentions it in the context of her concert
 * 8) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/katherine-jenkins-busks-at-london-tube-station-6266639.html is just a bit trivia about her singing it while playing at busking.
 * 9) https://web.archive.org/web/20140617234625/https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/bring-me-to-life-ep/id336264545 is useless for notability purposes as it is nothing but a iTunes track listing with user-generated reviews.

I'm not seeing enough here to demonstrate that this cover is notable. Meters (talk) 08:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP policy WP:ONUS, Aspect needs to start a discussion and seek consensus instead of reinserting content that's been removed per WP's policies and guidelines.
 * WP's notability guideline has nothing to do with the content in articles; its purpose is to determine whether a subject warrants its own article. Aspect's citing of the notability guideline is incorrect. They do not understand what the guideline is for, which states right at the top: The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic may have its own article. My use of "non-notable" in an edit summary is not about the notability guideline, and I see why that can confuse those unfamiliar with this admittedly-vague shorthand. Some longtime editors are accustomed to using the term non-notable to refer to content that is trivial, that isn't significant for inclusion. I.e, it's irrelevant, pointless or insignificant trivia, which is what this is.
 * Out of dozens if not hundreds of covers this hit song might have, this cover has no significance to the song for it to be in this article, much less have its own section. WP isn't an indiscriminate collection of trivia. There is no WP-based reason some random cover should be given a section, and policies and guidelines, including WP:ONUS, WP:UNDUE, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, do not support this. It, in fact, directly violates the policy of undue weight, which on its own determines the removal of the section.
 * It is also promotional, both in presentation and in intention, as Aspects is solely pushing this one cover onto the article, dedicating a whole section to it. Moreover, the presentation of this random cover in the article equates it to the significance of this band's re-recording of their own song, which does warrant its own section in this article. This is an example of what WP's due weight policy is for. These are the policy-based reasons this spamming of a trivial cover does not belong in the article, and never should've been as it was in the article. Lapadite (talk) 10:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)