Talk:Britain's Got Talent series 12

Format for this Series
So has there been any mentions made regarding the format for this series? Do we know if they plan to return the Judges' vote, and return the Public Wildcard? I know that the live episodes will be hosted by Donnelly for this series, but can editors make checks for information regarding this series. GUtt01 (talk) 08:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)


 * If there's a decision to bring back the Public Wildcard, could editors make certain to mark it into the article, along with updating Series Overview with mention of this and a citations? GUtt01 (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Question
So why has no one edited in the Golden Buzzers? Tyler Michael Mannix (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


 * They have put in information regarding acts that got Golden Buzzers, but for the time being its currently under HIDDEN TXT - until information on who the semi-finalists for this series is known, it will remain like this, so anyone getting a golden buzzer is being kept HIDDEN for the moment, marked up on the table layout for semi-finalists. GUtt01 (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Unhide the golden buzzers
It makes no sense to hide these, it is public information and hiding it from the article serves no purpose. Why would it ever be logical to withhold information from the article until a certain time decided by one editor? -ThatJosh (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I do agree and I think it's rather weird that suddenly it was never shown. Tyler Michael Mannix (talk) 20:04, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay you two - I've taken your thoughts into consideration, and revealed the Series Overview section at this time. Anything in HIDDEN TXT includes a paragraph regarding the semi-finals and finals, which can't be shown until information is available for this (there's a bit on the Golden Buzzer acts, but I'd like to wait until Semi-Finalists are fully confirmed amongst the remaining auditions to be given final judgement at present. Other than that, the table is ready to receive input on Semi-finalists, once they are confirmed.GUtt01 (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Live Show Dates
Radio Times is saying that the semi-finals are from 28 May to 1 June, with the final on 3 June. Is this a reliable enough source to add those dates to the Ratings table? JorWat (talk) 09:04, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * It may be, if you have a reference to prove this is the case. Please show it here, if you do.GUtt01 (talk) 14:05, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, appreciate the work done to confirm the dates of the live episodes. Let's make it a rule on future series, to await confirmation of dates for live episodes, okay? :-) GUtt01 (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * any confirmed reason for it to be the 3rd and not the 2nd? ( 3rd is Sunday ) last year the Finals was the 3rd 2017 ( Saturday ) my intelligent assumption would be it was to give the semifinalists from Friday an extra day to prepare for finals, but that would still be an assumption without confirmation sources Verdad63 (talk) 02:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It is the 3rd June 2018. A citation was provided within Ratings that confirms this. GUtt01 (talk) 06:50, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Include the three buzzers for Magus Utopia
They happened, whether they "count" or not. That's not the purpose of Wikipedia to decide the legitimacy of a buzz or not, simply we should note that it happened. My side-note explanation of the stage invader adequately did this in my opinion, so I'd like to know why people want to remove it. -ThatJosh (talk) 20:07, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Simon himself pressed it "after" the act in 2013 (which was like 1 second after the twin appeared) in response to it not being the same girl. this was way after whilst they were talking about the performance. Simon's buzzer also wasn't removed when he pressed it back then. Also, a few years ago a dance act themselves pressed all four buzzers during their own performance, was that included? I don't remember which year. But it was after the act and wasn't pressed by any of the judges themselves and they were rescinded, unlike the other instance with Simon.Muur (talk) 20:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Which act are you referring to? -ThatJosh (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to state clearly that if a Buzzer is put in, it should be if it was done *during* a performance, not after it. And it should only count if a judge does so. If an act presses a buzzer, it doesn't count, nor should it count if a stage invader does so merely to disrupt a live broadcast. GUtt01 (talk) 20:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We can mention the stage invasion, if it is notable enough, and there is information available to provide suitable citations to back up the incident. But this is best place within Criticism & Controversy, rather than within a side-note for the semi-final in question. GUtt01 (talk) 20:16, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There have been occasions before when a judge pressed the buzzer after the act and it was still included (see: Stevie Pink, 2013). I'd like to remind you also that you cannot dominate a wiki page by "stating something clearly" - Wikipedia is consensus-based, and I would advise you to argue why it shouldn't be included rather than stating the current consensus (which i dont believe exists, btw). -ThatJosh (talk) 12:08, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The buzzers were hit by a stage invader, whose intentions are not clear, per se, but certainly intended to be disruptive to proceedings. Stage invasions tend to be problematic, so it would be best not to count these as genuine buzzers. Genuine buzzers should be made by Judges, and no-one else. Let me give an example - when child stand-up comedian did his semi-final performance, he included into his routine a joke about Amanda's reaction to his auditon joke about her, and pressed her buzzer; this was not counted at the end, because it was part of his act, and not a truthful reaction by any of Judges.GUtt01 (talk) 14:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You know, now that I think about it, should we really count Buzzes that were made by other people? I think in all honesty, we should only count those made by the Judge themselves, and no-one else; if they make a Buzz but retract it afterwards, we can still mark it down, but need to note about its retraction as a side-note.GUtt01 (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * there might be cases where the judge is in the stage and 1 of the other 3 judges "presses it for that judge and its own buzz" and in the case of America got talent, if a judge is in the stage during "Judges cuts weeks", the "guest judge" could press it as "official representative" as it has happened twice i think, but that is for AGT, not BGT.............. also there was one case of a judge pressing the red buzz by mistake in one of the got talent shows but I think if it is rescidend, it should not be shown but there should be a "number code" and at bottom explain that there was a buzz that did not count Verdad63 (talk) 01:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Anthony McPartlin's absence
Why is the article avoiding mentioning the drink driving accident? Surely a full explanation is required to his absence on this article rather than forcing readers to read his? Dougal18 (talk) 09:50, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Yes, you're right that we should be a little more specific about why he is absent, but we should not go into great detail about this, since better coverage can be done on the Host's personal article. Stating quite clearly that he withdrew from TV commitments as the result of an accident he was involved in, gives clear reason, especially as users can get more detail either from his article, or from any citations that are being used to prove this fact. GUtt01 (talk) 10:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Mr Uekusa - "What type of performance is he?" Discussion
Okay, we keep having a switch around about this Participant, so we need to have a little discussion on the matter. I will voice my opinion in regards to the subject of this discussion. The reason I believe he should be referred as a Variety Performer is as follows:


 * 1) His act is regarded as Variety - Stating him as a Comedian implies his act is humourous and done for laughs. However, while footage shows he does a routine that is described as funny, the audience doesn't truly react with laughter at what he does. Thus, he can't be deemed as a comedian.
 * 2) Strippers primarily do an act that involving stripping out of clothing throughout their act. While this performer does so, there is more to his act than just a simple stripper routine, thus he can't be defined to be a stripper.
 * 3) This participants act involves performing variations on the "Pull a cloth from under an object" trick - one such example is that in his Semi-Final performance, he pulled a cloth from under a tower of Jenga blocks that had a glass of liquid on top of it, using only his nipples. This can clearly define the act as a form of Variety, the very genre he is put under.

This is my argument. Please add in your input of what you think, or why your version should be accepted for his performance, below this argument. GUtt01 (talk) 13:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2018?
Msangjunboon2018 (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This is confusing. Why would someone make a request like this, when a) they're a registered user, and don't need to make such a request ; b) they give no clear indication of what they want. I think this talk discussion should be closed. GUtt01 (talk) 16:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

semifinals results
I am curious about past years compared ( so far anyway ) to this year

in the past they gave their place in voting but not this year? or they going to reveal it in a later date? or someone positioned them in past years according to "order of being announced as going home"? ( 1st one sent home is 8th, second one is 7th........... ) in which case except for the first 3 places, all others should simple say "eliminated" Verdad63 (talk) 01:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't have the voting percentages to fully confirm the positions everyone got in each Semi-Final. When we do, their positions will be implemented into the article.GUtt01 (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

"On Standby"
Two of the notes in this article are a bit bizarre. The first note is regarding Matt Johnson's performance;

"For health and safety reasons, Matt Johnson's semi-final performance required paramedics to be brought in as a precaution"

Surely on a show as big as this, with many dangerous acts being performed over the years, wouldn't paramedics always be on standby in case something goes wrong? The only difference with Matt Johnson's performance is that a paramedic was visible during the performance, although this was clearly a choice made by the producers for dramatic effect and to increase tension in the audience.

''"For health and safety reasons, Sascha William's semi-final performance required fire extinguishers to be on standby as a precaution" ''

Fire extinguishers are "on standby" in just about every public building. There is nothing special, notable, or significant about fire extinguishers being involved when an act uses fire.