Talk:Britons in Hong Kong

"3 million British expatriates"
This is complete nonsense. There are not 3 million British expatriates in Hong Kong. More than nine-tenths of the population of Hong Kong was born in Hong Kong or mainland China, and has never lived in Britain. It is grossly misleading to call someone a "British expatriate" just because s/he registered for BN(O) status. BN(O)s don't even have the right to live in Britain. The source for this statement is hardly neutral either. The British Parliament calls BN(O)s "British expatriates" to cover up their shameful racism in granting Gibraltarians and Falklanders the right of abode in Britain but not giving the same to Hong Kongers, but that doesn't mean that Wikipedia has to repeat their lying. I challenge you to find any independent (i.e. non-British government), reliable source which makes this claim of "3 million British expatriates" in Hong Kong in those exact words. 61.18.190.15 (talk) 17:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * BN(O)s may or may not be considered British. This article has to present both views. It's a POV to call the Commmons racist. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 20:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No, the article does not have to present both views, it has to present views in accordance with WP:WEIGHT --- and fringe theories that are of little relevance to the article should be placed on articles devoted to those topics. British National (Overseas) already has an overview of this issue.


 * And BN(O)s are certainly not "expatriates" no matter what the British parliament says in an un-peer-reviewed source in which it tries to push its own point of view. An expatriate is someone living outside of his own country. Someone who is living in the city where he was born and raised and from which he has been undeportable all his life, is a native, not an expatriate. He is certainly not an "expatriate" of another country in which he has never lived and which explicitly voted not to give him the right to live there on the grounds of his race. And you don't get to call something "POV" simply because it goes against a view you want to push. British politicians such as Jack Straw have condemned the British nationality laws for their racism. Other sources like the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights said:


 * The topic of this article is intended to be people who are actually from Britain in some sense, like actually having ever lived there. Including BN(O)s is a clear attempt to muddle the issue and push the point of view of the British government. 61.18.190.15 (talk) 05:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In the case of the majority of Hongkongers, they are having dual nationalities, namely British and PRC, and interestingly neither nationality grant them civil and political rights in HK. It's the HK permanent resident status that brings them such rights, a status independent of British or PRC nationality, in HK. From the point of view of the UK, all British nationals are British, no matter they are British citizens or not. All British can apply for British passports from HM Government and receive consular assistance (unless they are in the other sovereign state of their another nationality, which, in most cases for BN(O)s, would be PRC, Canadian or Australian). And, as a matter of fact, most of the BN(O)s are British by birth. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 19:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)