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{{edit semi-protected The photo that has been posted which allegedly depicts Major General Wootten and Lieutenant General Maso Baba is not a picture of Major General Wootten. It is an unidentified Australian officer who in no way resembles Major General Wootten. The caption beneath the photo should be amended, or an appropriate photo matching the caption should be inserted.}}

Concerning to the map in ASEAN (I can add a larger dot if editors think it looks too small, as in the case of Singapore)

Brunei is a small country, so it may be barely visible in this map (and the same concern I have about Singapore, so I'll also edit this comment in the Singapore article Talk Page). If the editors about Brunei have any problem with it, I can add a quite larger dot on Brunei's location (and the same is applyable to Singapore). Thanks for reading and for suggestions. Mondolkiri1 (talk) 3:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Help for Tourism in Brunei

I have created and nominated Tourism in Brunei for DYK. You can see nomination of article here. Article has some issues mentioned in that nomination, if anyone is interested in fixing issues of article then kindly fix it so that article will feature on the main page of Wikipedia. Your name will be added as author of article. Thank you. --Human3015TALK  19:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2016

(Malay: Negara BFabian de Jong Darussalam, Jawi: نڬارا بروني دارالسلام‎, Chinese: 文莱达鲁萨兰国), is a sovereign state... Brunei is the only sovereign state "Please change sovereign state to sovereign State"```` State is representative of an independent government as Brunei is Zerowolf87 (talk) 18:27, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Common nouns like "state" are generally not capitalized in English, and Brunei is not the only sovereign state on Earth. Thanks, /wiae /tlk 19:43, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Brunei/GA4. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This page fails to meet the GA Criteria. Primarily it fails in the following areas:

- '1. Well Written' - There are various grammatical errors throughout the article. Ref: the Animal Rights section.

- '2. Verifiable with no original research' - There are several unsourced statements. "Foreign workers tend to emigrate from non-Muslim countries.", "As of August 2015, there were no cases within the Sharia Penal Code that would entail the death penalty without four qualified witnesses." and "Stray animals especially dogs and cats are protected their rights by NGO group in Brunei." are examples.

Plebotron (talk) 10:32, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

 Comment: I've done a few changes to the article, specifically to the areas that you have mentioned above, I'll do more edits to it in the near future. Hallows AG (talk) 02:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

The two editors involved in this GAR have not edited this review nor Wikipedia in some months. I am taking over the GAR. Notes have been left on the editors' talkpages. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:16, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Comments on GA criteria

Pass


Query


Fail
  • The prose is generally readable and conveys information, however there are errors in places, the meaning is not always clear ("Brunei is the first country in Asia to ban on shark finning nationwide."), and there is a trend toward short paragraphs, and abrupt, disconnected sentences which inhibit reading flow. The articles needs an appropriate copy-edit. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:26, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Layout. There are too many short sub-sections, which inhibit reading flow, images and media are used in a haphazard fashion, creating a jumbled disorganised appearance. See WP:Layout - in particular WP:LAYIM and MOS:BODY. The See also and External links sections need to be checked, as they appear to be over long, with dubious entries. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:40, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
  • The citing of sources is a major concern. The article qualifies as a quick fail due to having been tagged as needing sources in multiple places since October 2015. Looking at the article history, the article had been quick failed on 20 December 2011 for lack of sources, then was passed four days later, even though the sourcing issue had not been addressed. A FAC in Jan 2012 was quickly rejected because of the sourcing issues, and it was suggested at that time that a GAR take place to remove the GA listing. I don't think I need continue this review. The article clearly does not meet GA requirements. This GAR has been open since September 2015, with the same sourcing concerns, and they still haven't been addressed. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


General comments

This is a clear fail, and I will delist the article. It is somewhat concerning that such a poorly sourced and messy article has been listed as a Good Article since December 2011, even though several people were aware of its faults. One of the strengths of the GA process is that delisting can be easily done by any editor in good standing without the need for red tape. I understand the reluctance to get involved, but folks should not be afraid to initiate an individual GAR, and to carry out a delisting when an article clearly does not meet the GA criteria. However, if unsure - perhaps because of prior involvement in an article, there is also the option of a community GAR, or approaching an experienced reviewer, such as myself - as was done in this case. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Geography now

Geography now is youtube channel that makes great videos on all the offical UN members in alfebetical order starting with Afghanistan and currenty at Egypt Can we put their videos in the external links segments of the respective pages. Lottery winner (talk) 10:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2017

According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_area ...Brunei is ranked 168th as Total area, not 172th. 88.147.58.14 (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia is not a reliable source. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2017

There's a rather nasty spelling error in the caption of the map figure in section 2.2 (War with Spain and Decline). I can't edit it, so can someone change the 'lose' in 'Brunei territorial lose from 1400 to 1890' to 'loss'? Caslavcuperlovic (talk) 13:17, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Caslavcuperlovic: Well spotted! I think "losses" is a bit clearer, so I've changed it to that. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2018

the box v3 should be here AyyyyMeme (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. st170e 13:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2019

Words are backwards. Make them forwards again. 197.149.29.170 (talk) 17:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

 Question: I don't understand your request. Please explain more clearly and reopen the request (change "yes" to "no" above). ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Can't edit?

Hi I feel more information about the new Shariah laws coming into effect could be added to the 21st century section. I found this source, I can't seem to edit the page though? Here's the source. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/28/brunei-brings-in-death-by-stoning-as-punishment-for-gay-sex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans RayBan (talk • contribs) 13:09, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, information on this page already mentions the laws, including the death by stoning that is in that article title. CMD (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

In the 4th paragraph from the top it it mentioned that Brunei is one of two countries that have 0 public debt. The other is given as Libya. However that is out of date. Libya is not doing so well these days, so that should be deleted.

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 Not done: The article actually says "in 2011 [...] Brunei was one of two countries (the other being Libya)" (emphasis mine). NiciVampireHeart 21:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-economy-insight/debts-pile-up-as-rival-libyan-governments-struggle-for-power-idUSKCN1QN1VL

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2019

"Brunei's dominance in the Philippines was also challenged by two kingdoms, the Sultanate of Cebu and Butuan which were also coincidentally allied with Kutai and were also at war with Brunei's dependencies; Sulu and Manila as well as their mutual ally, the Sultanate of Maguindanao."

Please omit "Indianized" as the two Sultanate kingdoms of Cebu and Butuan were not Indianized but rather distinct or unique from other kingdoms. We can conclude that it is actually "Philipinized". It is actually called "Sultanate" not Rajahanate. Ex. Sultanate of Cebu and Butuan. Ffrank03 (talk) 18:53, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? CMD (talk) 04:50, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 07 July 2019

In the LGBT rights section it says "However, as of 6 May 2019 Sultan of Brunei in his titah for Ramadan declared that Brunei will not imposed Penal Code of the Sharia Law"

"imposed" as past test is wrong, it should just be "impose" --81.108.53.238 (talk) 20:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Surachit (talk) 23:33, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Independence section, last paragraph

The language of this section feels poorly constructed, subjective and potentially misleading. Not up to encyclopedic standards. Hoping someone can revise:

Relations with the Philippines which Brunei has been in a love-hate dynamic with due to the constant wars they waged against each other, in their territories; like when Arab led Malay-Bruneians destroyed Panay's Court of Nobles and in some time later, Spanish lead Latinos and Filipinos burned Brunei's Great Mosque, historically, was then symbolically patched up when Filipino Visayan architect Leandro V. Locsin, helped design and build the Istana Nurul Iman Palace, a name taken from Malay Istana and Arabic Nur-ol Imaan and means Palace of the Light of Faith which is now the largest residential Palace in the world."[74] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.199.185.106 (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Added governmental form to lead

I added a sentence to the lead describing the government.

The government is an absolute monarchy under the Sultan which implements sharia law and directs Islamic practices.

Please explain here if you believe this is incorrect or doesn't belong.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 16:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

edit request

In the main section, the article states, "Brunei has the second-highest Human Development Index among the Southeast Asian nations, after Singapore, and is classified as a developing country." In the Economy section, "Brunei has the second-highest Human Development Index among the Southeast Asian nations, after Singapore, and is classified as a developed country." I believe it should be "developed" in both spots. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.5.129 (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Done, changed to developed. CMD (talk) 15:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2021

I suggest removing English from the Recognized Languages category as it is unnecessary, and only display Malay as the only official sole language of Brunei. Ruse998 (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The current inclusion is supported by a source. CMD (talk) 02:42, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well. John Cummings (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Mongol invasion of Brunei

I have a bit contention here with the statement, “ Marco Polo suggested in his memoirs that the Great Khan or the ruler of the Mongol Empire, attempted and failed many times in invading "Great Java" which was the European name for Bruneian controlled Borneo.”

The source linked to Robert Nicholl arguments which then dependant on Marco Polo accounts after that one attack to current Java in 1292-1293, he suggests that several attacks had been made on "Java the Great", but all to no purpose. Here Nicholl argues “Java the Great” could have been Borneo instead.

I think this is a bit of a stretch in that, Nicholl is wrong in that there were other Mongol attacks made toward Java and was recorded by the Javanese. One particular attack was defeated at sea by Arya Dikara a Majapahit naval commander based on Butak inscription dated 1294. Marco Polo could have been talking about these attacks. Ludovico di Varthema visited Borneo and used the correct term as mentioned by Nicholl, which is baffling why would then he used "Great Java" to describe a different island he visited afterward. Rather than the explanation being that European travelers at this time have the misconception that Java is the largest island in the world, hence the name "Great Java".

Robert Nicholl view that Mongol attacked Brunei is not a mainstream view by historians. "Great Java" is also mostly accepted to refer to Java.

I would have love for more sources particularly from Bruneian side whether they have been attacked by Mongol, to supplement this event. As of now, this is supposition by Nicholl and the sentence should have been worded differently or removed. 111.220.69.27 (talk) 21:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2022

173.34.82.193 (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Add the most famous bruneian person as the boxes

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 22:26, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Sharia Law and Brunei : Needs to be updated

Under the History section, 'The 21st Century' subsection mentions the future implementation of Sharia Law which is backed up by outdated references. Now that it has long been implemented, I would recommend updating this subsection with recent links, such as these article from Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brunei-lgbt-un-idUSKCN1RF2ED and https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brunei-islamiclaws-idUSKCN1RB0E1 Wpakxl (talk) 20:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

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