Talk:Bubbling Under Hot 100

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 * if the Hot 100 was comprised of more than 100 positions, the songs on this chart would represent positions 101 to 125.

This article should specify that the titles listed in these 25 positions are songs which have not appeared on the Hot 100. The above text is inaccurate because, for example, a song may be ranked at #99 but then decline the following week to a position that is comparable to postion #105, but because it has appeared on the Hot 100 already, it is not eligible for the Bubbling Under chart.

The Bubbling Under charts represent the 25 songs below position #100 which have not yet appeared on the Hot 100.


 * eo 08:17, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I itallicized the text "which have not yet appeared on the Hot 100" as to emphasize this point. The explanation that follows was a little confusing for me (and I'd assume some other people) but I didn't want to take it out. I hope this was alright. -WikiFiend90 21:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Umm...
I'm not sure this chart exists anymore. Anyone know? --SteelersFanUK06  ReplyOnMine!   13:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * yes it does. - eo (talk) 13:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link to its compilation? --SteelersFanUK06  ReplyOnMine!   16:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Heatseekers Songs
I think the Heatseekers Songs chart is this charts sucsessor, and that Billboard has changed the criteria for the chrt. I don't know where to find any of this information. Any info is perfection! Microwave09 (talk) 22:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They are not the same thing, both charts are still published weekly. - eo (talk) 01:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift, I believe, has had 14 hits on the Bubbling Under chart---likely to increase this week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.84.151 (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Piriczki's revert
Piriczki reverted my edit here, which was to correct that "Nasty Girl" by Vanity 6 spent a record seven weeks at number 101 as incorrect data. There is never a #101 on the Hot 100/Bubbling chart. A single, when it peaks at number one on Bubbling chart, does not mean its 101, similarly a number two does not mean 102. WP:BILLBOARDCHARTS policy is preyy clear about it. — I B  [ Poke ] 12:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Then what is this? And this? Please explain. Piriczki (talk) 12:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Interesting find because no where in Billboard the online .biz website or their charts or in their archives they have ever referred to positions as 101, 102 and so forth. WP:BILLBOARDCHARTS says in this case "On singles discography tables, do not add 100 to a Bubbling Under peak if the song never entered the corresponding chart (i.e., Billboard Hot 100 and Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles, or Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Singles). Doing so would violate WP:SYNTH by creating information not directly supported by the source (i.e., the notion that the Bubbling Under chart is an extension to the main chart and the position). It should be indicated as an uncharted song with a footnote to indicate the Bubbling Under peak." I believe we can raise a discussion there. — I B  [ Poke ] 12:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I can also find this discussion from May 2013 where User:Kww confirmed that "The Bubbling Under chart is not a 25 song extension of the Hot 100. Never has been. There are different rules for entering and exiting the chart that mean that its 25 positions never correspond to positions 101-125 on an extended Hot 100. Any argument based on the logic that the chart is some kind of extension of the Hot 100 are false". — I B  [ Poke ] 12:41, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There was a brief period where the Bubbling Under Charts were labeled 101-1**. Even Billboard found it inaccurate and confusing, apparently, because it did not last.&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:03, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Two years after the chart began, the numbering was changed so that it started at 101. It remained that way for 24 years, from 1961 to 1985 when the chart was discontinued. Piriczki (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Correction, the chart was never discontinued. It did not publish on the magazine anymore, but is available on their website. — I B  [ Poke ] 13:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The Bubbling Under chart was discontinued in August 1985. It was revived in December 1992. At that time the chart was described as "Bubbling Under lists the top 25 singles under No. 100 which have not yet charted." Piriczki (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * So from that time onwards, was it listed as #1, #2 onwards on the chart? Or was it again #101? — I B  [ Poke ] 14:10, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Since 1992 it has started at No. 1. Piriczki (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Then this article should also reflect that, information is misrepresented here indicating that its always 101, 102 whereas it was like that once, but following rearrival of the chart, it ceased to be an extension. — I B  [ Poke ] 14:43, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Right now the article accurately reads:

"From August 28, 1961 to August 24, 1985, the chart positions were numbered starting with number 101."

"On the first issue of its 1992 revival, the chart was renamed to 'Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles' from its previous name, 'Bubbling Under the Hot 100'. The same issue increased the total number of slots on the chart to 25 and the chart numbering began with #1."

The notion of an "extension" (or not) is something invented by Wikipedia editors and has no place in the article. Piriczki (talk) 15:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

External link needed (if possible)
Does Billboard or anyone else maintain an archive of the Bubbling Under charts? It would be useful to have an external link to such a site if it exists. 70.73.90.119 (talk) 15:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we have to dig and search on each artist chart to see a list of hits who bubbling under hot 100 like for example, these ones from the band Simple Plan. https://www.billboard.com/artist/simple-plan/

--Sd-100 (talk) 01:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)