Talk:Bull of Heaven

Bull of Heaven
Originally posted at my talk page:
 * While I agree that there should be articles related to each topic, redirecting the Bull of Heaven page to Gugalanna's isn't the solution. There should be a disambiguation page instead, as the band have been becoming widely known among online music geeks and critics for years, while very few, respectively, have even heard the term Bull of Heaven used to refer to the Sumerian god.  Additionally, not many of the young (or even older!) people I know have even heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh.  Furthermore, the band's article has something like 15 (16?) references, while Gugalanna has four.  I refer you to Wikipedia's guidelines on disambiguation.  The fact that something predates something else, even by thousands of years, does not alone establish it as PRIMARYTOPIC. Lagopodous (talk) 19:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Nope. With due respect for you and your friends' own culture, Wikipedia establishes by using. This is not even close.

Every single mention (out of 400) at Google Books is about the Sumerian god. Every single mention (out of 800+) at Google Scholar is about the Sumerian god. Gilgamesh is required reading at most school systems at some point in a student's life. While I'm not going to argue the band is so unnotable that its page should be deleted, there is no question here. The redirect points to the Bull of Heaven (which is the Sumerian god) and the band gets a hatnote dab. (Just out of curiosity, where did you think they had gotten the name?) — Llywelyn II   01:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

It's actually the case that Bull of Heaven is the  of  and that entire article should be moved here (with the hatnote dab to the band), but I'm kinda busy at the moment so I'll leave that to another editor. — Llywelyn II   01:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Since you're so curious, from my previous comments it's abundantly clear that I know where they got their name. Learn to read.  Again, ask most teenagers and even college kids who Bull of Heaven are, and a fair handful will know of the band, while the great majority (apart from literature and theology majors) will have no idea what else you'd be referring to.  I merely proposed a disambiguation page, while your response drips of pseudo-academic fealty and bile.  Get real.  There is no consensus here.  Lagopodous (talk) 07:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ask most teenagers and even college kids who Bull of Heaven are
 * Totally irrelevant for Wikipedia. And also, false: In last fm they have 2.387 listeners and 142,5K scrobblings. Underground groups that I listen have more listeners and scrobblings than them. Jakeukalane (talk) 00:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Is this image of the Bull of Heaven?
In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh uses a knife to slay the Bull of Heaven. No such knife is present in the image shown. He is also with his friend Enkidu, and in other representations of the slaying Enkidu is normally present. Additionally, given Ancient Mesopotamian artistic conventions, it is unlikely that a legendary hero like Gilgamesh would be naked. Finally, there is nothing "heavenly" about this bull. The Epic of Gilgamesh is clear that the Bull of Heaven is different from other bulls. Nothing about this image suggests that. I posit that this image depicts Lahmu, "the hairy one" - he is often depicted naked, typically has exactly six prominent hair curls (as is visible in this image), and was known to sometimes kill regular, unheavenly bulls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.214.252 (talk) 22:32, 16 December 2021 (UTC)