Talk:Bullbar

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Please remove the advertising language. Thank you. Rintrah 16:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Rintrah, it's not advertising language, it's plain Aussie - we shorten everything down to a syllable or two. I will attempt to make it acceptable to non-Aussies and Aussies alike.Trishm 23:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone has addressed my concern; I'm happy. Rintrah 07:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why is this article "within the scope of WikiProject Australia" anyway? Bullbars are common in North America. Australia should be represented, but the topic is not country-specific.

I agree, bullbars are used -or prohibited- all over the World. Milton (talk) 08:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Contestable Claim
'Although studies have shown bull bars to cause an increase in the risk of death and serious injury to pedestrians,[3] modern energy-absorbent polymer-based designs are less hazardous to pedestrians, with some having been shown to be safer than the same vehicle without a bullbar.'

I'm not sure I agree with that second bit about the polymer based designs... could you please provide us with more legitimate refercences than #4 or #5 (which is, in fact, a broken link)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.188.17 (talk) 01:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * While the second of the two references no longer appears to work, the first is still available and is a reliable reference that verifies the statement in the article. There have also been published articles about these moulded polymer bars, which are reliable and verifiable but I don't have any of them to hand right now.  --Athol Mullen (talk) 13:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Terminology
This confusing article seems to be arguing with itself about terminology. The usual term I am familiar with in Australia is "bull bar". (I have only ever heard the term "roo bar" used on UK TV travel shows.) In any event, the article should decribe the concept, not foreground the terminology. However the terminology is brought to the fore, then clarification provided as to what exactly a roo bar might be, yet the article later switches between bull and roo, and thereby seems to contradict itself. Format (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

This article appears to be original research because the author seems to have assumed that bull bars are somehow related to push bumpers. Push bumpers are modified bumperettes, which were originally to prevent horizontal bumpers from over-/underriding and locking together on passenger vehicles. Early types were energy-absorbing; later, they became more-decorative and cheaper stamped & chromed; some of those received energy-absorbing rubber pads or points to reduce scuffing during use; then harder plastics with less friction or energy-absorption became standard because they could be molded thinner, cheaper, were more robust, and could be used to hide the bumperette fasteners. All of them are intended for vehicle-to-vehicle contact. But none of that has anything to do with bull bars, which were originally attached to farm implements & vehicles to herd stubborn livestock. Sport off-road vehicles copied that style of front bumper to deal with boulders & trees, which is how brush guards (full-width) & bull bars (smaller, and central) evolved. So bull bars are distinct from push bumpers. My research was done at the D.C. PTO in the mid 90s when I researched "automotive fenders" (bumpers). I can't cite the hundreds of patents I read, but I can confirm that the foam-polymer-clad grille guard patented by Land Rover was found to cause fewer injuries to pedestrians than the same vehicle without the guard, as mentioned on this talk page. Steve8394 (talk) 05:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Ban
The article states that metal bull bars were banned outright by an EU directive, although the sources given are dead. Frontal Protection System implies that metal bull bars are actually subject to an expensive approval procedure that made them economically unviable but not banned; the article ends by saying that this legislation was repeated in November 2009. It seems to have been merged and replaced by another regulation summarised here. The gist of it seems to be that bull bars need type approval. As such it appears that they're not banned in law, but I'm not a lawyer. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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