Talk:Burdei

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The title is Burdei, still both in Ukrainian and Romanian the word is spelled Bordei, So why Burdei and not Bordei?193.230.195.1 (talk)


 * I totally agree! This title NEEDS to be changed, as it is referenced from other articles, and is incorrectly spelled. It should be Bordei. --Saukkomies talk 05:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, in Ukrainian there are 2 spellings in Ukrainian: Бурдей (the most common — transliterated burdei or burdey), and Бурдій (Western Ukrainian dialect — transliterated burdiy). Granted, my etymological dictionary does say that this comes from the East-Romanian bordei, though it says that even this is derived from the Italian bordello < French bordel. So it is best to stick to the most common English use of the term, and then make sure that all variations are either included in the text, or are redirects to it. -- Very trivial (talk) 08:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

"Caveau" is also disputed
I have tried to find a definition of the French word "Caveau" that is included in this article as refering to a French type of Bordei, however, I have not been successful. Here are some definitions of Caveau from several French dictionaries and thesauri:


 * 1) From the online Collins English reverso French dictionary:
 * 2) "caveau : nom masculin. cave, mausolée, crypte, niche, ergastule, sépulcre, tombe, sépulture [antonyme] berceau"
 * These definitions refer either to a cave, a jail, or a tomb. Not an earth-sheltered dwelling.


 * 1) From Babylon.com:
 * 2) "caveau (masc) noun : vault, cellar"
 * Not an earth-sheltered dwelling either.


 * 1) From Wiktionary:
 * 2) "caveau : masc. inv. noun. vault (secure, enclosed area used to store valuables)"
 * Ditto

I also looked it up in several architectural and anthropological dictionaries, but nothing came up.

I'm going to go ahead and remove this word from the article. If anyone would like to disagree with this, please feel free to do so, but also please back up your argument with some evidence to show to the contrary.
 * For course it's not in a dictionary, it's Canadian French (neglected at the best of times), but wrose than that WESTERN Canadian French (completely discounted), and worse, a term for a low-status building. And it's not a new word it's just an expansion of the word for cellar into a wider meaning. Allow me:

"Ils offriront un choix de tournée guidée des murales puis un gîte et couvert sous forme d’un Village d’Accueil, ce en l’honneur des deux premières familles françaises arrivées à Legal : Gelot et Ménard. En 1894, les deux familles Gelot et Ménard bâtirent un caveau pour y vivre et peu après pour accueillir les nouvelles familles de la région."

- LEGAL-LERIE, June 2004

Here is a picture of it: http://centraltafr.blogspot.com/2009/08/pour-voir-de-plus-grandes-images_4496.html --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 17:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Category
Category:Ukrainian loanwords incorrect, in Ukrainian “бордей” is Romanian loanword :) --Аимаина хикари (talk) 17:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * See my comment above, it is a 'loanword' from Ukrainian, Romanian, Italian and French! --Very trivial (talk) 08:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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