Talk:Buryatia

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The flag on this page is wrong - the black part should be white.

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 * Thanks for pointing this out. I have just replaced the image.&mdash;Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 19:17, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Name
On some of the Buryatia pages in other languages (Catalan, Estonian, etc.) the name of Buryatia in Buryat is given as Буряадай Республика instead of Буряад Республика. Seems a bit odd, even to someone who speaks none of the languages in question. Lincmad 06:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The official website uses "Буряад Республика".&mdash;Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

History
HOW THE HİSTORY OF SUCH AN ANCIENT PLACE BEGUN FROM ITS COLONıSATION ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.27.38.240 (talk) 12:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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Oka River
Does the Oka River flow through Buryatia? Bathrobe (talk) 10:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's ok, I've fixed it. Link should be Oka River (Siberia)
 * Bathrobe (talk) 10:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Order of the languages
I have once again reverted a change that placed Buryat ahead of Russian in the list of languages (in the infobox and in the template). For one, the order of the languages in the Constitution of Buryatia would not take priority over the previously established editing consensus. Secondly, the whole argument falls apart once you consider the rationale. If we must use the order of languages in the Constitution, it bears remembering that Buryatia is a part of Russia, and according to the Constitution of Russia, Russian is the official language on the whole territory of the country. Ethnic republics have a right to establish other official languages in addition to Russian, but since the Constitution of Russia takes priority over the regional Constitution, logically, Russian still needs to be listed first.

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 * Although as Article 68 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:


 * 1. The Russian language shall be the state language on the whole territory of the Russian Federation.


 * 2. The Republics shall have the right to establish their own state languages. In the bodies of state authority and local self-government, state institutions of the republics they shall be used together with the state language of the Russian Federation.




 * The Constitution of the Federation didn’t give us an order about languages, but at republican-level there is one in the Constitution of Buryatia. As the article, it’s not an unconstitutional act that a Republic listed it’s official languages with a non-Russian-first order in it’s constitution. Here I listed Buryat language first, it’s both constitutional at federal and republican level indeed.


 * The Constitution of the Federation says that Russian is (only) the state language of the Federation. And it also means that Russian can be not a state language of a Republic but just shall be used together.


 * Above, it’s my idea. —LibCae (talk), 00:52 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Republics have the right to establish their own state language, in addition to Russian (which is by default a state language on the whole territory of the country), and the Constitution of any given republic cannot override what the Constitution of Russia says (the republics may choose to not even mention Russian in their Constitutions, which would still not mean that Russian loses its official status as a result, and the order in which they list the languages certainly doesn't matter one bit, as their statuses are supposed to be equal). Note also that not all republics have an additional official language&mdash;the Republic of Karelia, for example, does not have one. Logically, thus, any state language would come second after Russian (Russian is official in every republic, and most of them also have another official state language or languages, which is the right the Constitution of the country grants them).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 8, 2018 ; 16:07 (UTC)

Buryat soldier allegedly the most cruel in Ukraine

 * https://www.corriere.it/esteri/22_aprile_30/buriati-soldati-putin-d4fc3e1a-c8a6-11ec-85c4-7c8d22958d02.shtml
 * Some of them murdered in Syria.Xx236 (talk) 06:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * https://nypost.com/2022/06/07/putin-mercenary-vladimir-andonov-killed-by-sniper-reports/ Xx236 (talk) 06:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * https://therussianreader.com/2022/05/23/buryats-russian-world/ Xx236 (talk) 06:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

"Presence of Buryat soldiers in conflicts that Russia is involved with is not really relevant to the history of Buryatia. This fact is not likely to leave effects over reasonable any period of time and change anything about the history of Buryatia. Something like this is more suitable for the page about the conflict, or the page on Russia itself; as it is a conflict Russia is involved in not a conflict that Buryatia is involved in."


 * The editor misinforms. I have written also about racial discrimination in Russian army. This a serious problem itself.
 * 'is not really relevant to the history of Buryatia' - any sources? Many young men die in Ukraine, other ones will return with physical or psychical handicaps. Buryat soldiers participate in war crimes. Austria also pretended to not participate in the WW2. Only recently, 77 years later, some hidden problems return.Xx236 (talk) 12:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Buryat men join the army, because Buryatia is poor. This page ignores social problems of Buryatia. Lists of economic data situate Buryatia below average, close to the bottom in the Federation.
 * Buryat people protest against the war both abroad and in Buryatia. Such protests may be important for the nation. Those who accept the war crimes are coresponsible like Austrian people were. If Russia terrorizes the Buryat people, we should inform about the terror. Xx236 (talk) 12:05, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I also inform about Buryat-Chechen conflict in Ukraine. I do not know the context, but it does not seem that all parts of the Federation cooperate.
 * What kind of reletionship exist beteen Buryatia and Russia? Is it similar to Alabama vs. USA? Xx236 (talk) 12:12, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The Buryat language is endangered. https://nomadit.co.uk/conference/cess2021/p/10687 Xx236 (talk) 12:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not at all surprising that there are Buryats present in the Russian Federation's invasion of Ukraine, that's like saying that the sky above Buryatia is blue. Keeping a collection of news items on Buryats in the Russian army and a running total of Buryat casualties on this page seems like recentism at best. 2001:48F8:4002:684:11C8:66DA:5F56:8BCA (talk) 06:28, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It is surprising that you reduce my text to "there are Buryats present", they not only are present, they die there. Buryatya is one of the most poor regions of the RF, there is high unemployment there, so young Buryats sign contracts  and there are many funerals in Buryatia.

The page does not inform about economic and cultural problems of Buryatia. I am unable to describe everything, but I try. Xx236 (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2022 (UTC) If Buryat soldiers participate in another wars (Syria) please write about it.
 * https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/9/7351558/ dropping like flies (Haidai probably exagerates, but what is Buryat opinion ?)
 * 114 oficial funerals https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers-poverty-funeral-buryatia/31862097.html Xx236 (talk) 08:28, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.eurasiareview.com/22052022-many-incorrectly-and-unfairly-classify-buryats-as-loyal-soldiers-of-putins-war-in-ukraine-oped/

Xx236 (talk) 08:30, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The NZZ is a Swiss newspaper, uninvolved politically https://www.nzz.ch/english/russian-soldiers-from-buryatia-are-dying-in-the-war-in-ukraine-ld.1688551

Ukrainian soldiers die for their land and nation. Buryat soldiers die for money. Many of them are Buddists. Please explain.Xx236 (talk) 08:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * First point, can you please use the customary syntax to comment. As now it is very hard to read what you're saying. And some interjections seem to be completely unrelated to the discussion topic.


 * I'm not denying that people from Buryatia participate in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Or that the treatment of ethnic minorities in the Russian army is bad. This is obviously a fact.
 * What I am questioning is how relevant this is to the history of Buryatia.
 * You say that I have to provide a source that is is not relevent to the history. This is obviously nonsensical. You have to provide a source that this is relevant to the history of Buryatia an not a recentist sentiment. Can you provide a source that my father dropping his bowl of soup is not relevent to the history of Buryatia?
 * Buryatia is part of the Russian Federation. Parts of Russia do not indvidually participate in the war, Russia as a whole does. Buryatia has not somehow decided to send soldiers.
 * The reason why soldiers from Buryatia are especially present among the death toll of the conflict. Is because of racism and the socio-economic situation of the Buryat people. This is obviously a problem. But probably more suited for the 'economy' or 'Demography' sections or the page about the Buryat people.


 * In the end we cannot deny that soldiers from Buryatia die in the Russian invasion of Buryatia. But the question is how relevent it is to the history of Buryatia. Will soldiers from Buryatia dying now have real effects on the history of Buryatia more than 20 or 50 years from now? Or is it a symptom of an ongoing present situation? Kardoen (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Is the extermination of Buryat soldiers relevant? Please prove it is not. The subject of high mortality among poor (!) ethnic minorities is discussed especially since the mogilization. Xx236 (talk) 13:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Any war is important for any society. KIAs, crippled, demorilized. Tragedies of families, who lost theri sins, husbands, fathers. Buryatia is one of the most affected regions of RF.Xx236 (talk) 13:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you want to contribute to any section, please do it. You have not added one letter yet. The Buryat soldiers have participated in several wars and noone has yet written about it.Xx236 (talk) 13:22, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

This agreement was abolished on 15 February 2002
By whom? What are legal results ? Xx236 (talk) 13:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)