Talk:Cabaret

Cabaret vs Kabarrett vs Burlesque
I am conmfused what is the difference between cabaret and Kabarrett and Burlesque - especiallyif we look at 1920s-30s Berlin or the Moulin Rouge? --MPetz-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.197.65.84 (talk) 20:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

"They did not have to stick to the usual rules of society" - a strange thing to say of people in such establishments. There are still rules!

Portland
In the part that mentions Portland, is it Oregon or Maine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.252.154 (talk) 18:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

General criticism
This article shows promise, but a lot of the contemporary mentions sound like promotional ads. There also feels like there should be a more thorough history written, especially for the US but for the rest of Europe too. Hope someone with more knowledge can fill in the blanks and make this more pleasant to read, informative &c. ____________________ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.211.142 (talk) 12:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Netherlands
I've heard it may also originate from Café - Bar - Restaurant...

I'm no expert on the matter, but cabarat is one of the most popular forms of entertainment in the Netherlands. We actually have a distinct word for people who write and perform cabaret, "cabaretiers". Many cities have yearly student cabaret festivals, where up-and-coming cabaretiers or cabaret groups contest for a jury and a public's choice prize. They're called student cabaret festivals for a reason: the cabaretiers performing are supposed to be students who are simply trying out writing/performing cabaret themselves. And the public usually consists mostly of students too. These festivals are so popular that there's practically an oversaturation of new cabaretiers. The VPRO gids (VPRO magazine) has written multiple occasions sentences that are variations on "there are more cabaretiers than non-cabaretiers in this country" when there's another cabaret broadcast. DodgeK 01:08, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Ageed, there should definatly be a large section of cabaret in the Netherlands

Alf Pioer
i find it rather daring to name "Austrian artist and stand-up comedian" Alf Pioer among the likes of Kurt Tucholsky, Werner Finck and Dieter Hildebrandt as "Famous Kabarettists", for the ones mentioned being "legends" in their field, having achieved an artistic legacy that only few can rival, whereas Alf Poier is merely a newcomer and rather a clownesque comedian than a "kabarettist". i could easily name 10 "kabarettists" from Germany and Austria, who would fit in this list much better, performing and having built a reputation for decades, such as the late Wolfgang Neuss (who had his prime in the 50s and 60s), the brilliant late Matthias Beltz, the late Hanns Dieter Hüsch, German Gerhard Polt, Austrian Werner Schneyder and contemporaries such as Bruno Jonas, Mathias Richling, Matthias Deutschmann, Georg Schramm and Austrian Josef Hader. i have to admit though that most of them lack an entry in en.wikipedia.org, so there is still a lot of work to be done.

Jeune 20:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

German use
I think it is important to include somewhere, that in Germany there is a very well defined difference between "Cabaret" and "Kabarett". "Cabaret" is normally light entertainment while "Kabarett" is always political and/or socio-critical humor. There's also a difference between "Kabarett" and "Comedy". Dieter Hildebrandt for example is a "Kabarettist" who is not a "Comedian" and is in no way related to "Cabaret". Sometimes an artist is active in "Kabarett" and "Comedy" and it is not alway possible to separate the two genres, but the two genres exist and normally adress different audiences. I don't know if this is typical german.

91.17.221.71 (talk) 21:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

New Link
What do the rest of you guys think about this edit? The page appears to be an online magazine and I'm not convinced that this isn't really spam. But I didn't want to delete it on my own.Balloonman 16:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit Made
Have taken the liberty to delete following persons from the list of "German" cabaret personalities in this article:


 * Silk Smitha - Indian cabaret dancer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spab0252 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Maria Estela "Isabel" Martínez Cartas de Perón, not as a cabaret dancer, but in her later role as Vice President, Senate President, and President of Argentina

Dutch cabaret
thumb|100px|upright|Why this image? This article lacks information about Dutch cabaret and/or kleinkunst. Rubenescio (talk) 17:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't there a better image to represent Dutch cabaret than one man sitting at a piano?
 * What's cabaret about that? SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree it's a poor image of an apparently cheap show.--Sum (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone should remove it if nobody defends it here in the next few days. 213.64.237.65 (talk) 18:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

German language Kabarett
Section about Kabarett was deleted by User:G callicott (12:36, 30 September 2008 G callicott). --Cmaric (talk) 11:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Swedish/American cabaret image and caption
The image and caption seem to promote a recent show & performers instead of being rapresentative of the subject. Also, is it relevant to know from the caption that the performers are Helena Mattsson and Patrik Hont? The title of the play/show and country should be the only relevant info, which are not currently clear. Is it more relevant to know the song title and the venue name instead?--Sum (talk) 22:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't quite see where the promotion angle came into this. How does one promote a show that closed in 2003 or a show group that only existed from 1998 to 2005? Dutch cabaret is represented by an image of one man at a piano and his name. I see much more of a problem there. Nothing cabaret about that photo at all. Here, the reader gets to know that one famous actress began in a cabaret show and that an American cabaret ran at a well known Stockholm venue. I don't know what's more important, can't see how any of it would be irrelevant, don't understand the "promotion" angle and wonder why that pianist is there. "Wild Side Story" closed in 2004 it seems, in case that's what the promotion allegation is all about. Cordially, SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * PS According to the image page at Commons the name of the show was "A Little Tribute Westward" and it was performed in Sweden. Its is unclear to me what is unclear about that. I think that image is the only one in the article (so far) which gives the reader any sense at all of what the genre is like. SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * So the show/play name is "A Little Tribute Westward." In may view keeping that and removing the song title "Havana for a Night" would make the caption less confusing. The performers seem to me low skilled, and that's where I got the impression of a promotion of an undeserving production. I agree that there is a problem of finding a quality image that actually shows what the subject is about.--Sum (talk) 01:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot know whether or not you are such a sharp entertainment critic or talented director of entertainment that you usually can pass judgement on performers like that just by looking at a photo. I do not agree, in any case. Their exact look is what the number in that show is all about. The singer a bit confused, the girl dancer shy, the gigolo impertinent. I have seen the number - it's hilarious, with (undoable) barefoot cha-cha and all, and is exactly what genuine cabaret is all about. Some readers may know the song, one of Mae West's brilliant concepts which she recorded with Tito Coral. Mr. Hont and the rest did an excellent job performing it live in that show. SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

New "gallery"
A few new images (nice ones) were added now, but I find it unclear what the format is intended to be. Have asked the editor here to explain. SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Header problem
Thought I would bring this to you guys' attention:

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This is currently the header of the page. Who wants to fix the obvious error here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.5.223 (talk) 15:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:BEBOLD! :) -- Bgpaulus (talk) 16:01, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced Types section
A whole section was added a few months ago by a one-time IP user, unsourced, with somebody's personal opinions about types of cabarets, but only as performed by one single actor, which is not necessarily what genuine cabaret is about. Its off base and un-Wikipedian, also does not jive with the rest of the article. I'm removing it. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Tablao
It would be nice is some of the cabaret of Spain (café cantantes) was included here too. Jooojay (talk) 19:39, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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