Talk:Cabbage/Archive 1

Varieties

 * I am missing savoy cabbage on the list of varieties. I guess it isn't as common outside Central Europe as cauliflower etc, but shouldn't it be included just the same?

195.37.16.210 10:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Slang
I entered the other day some information about how the word cabbage ("chou" in French) is used as an endearment. It was deleted for some obscure reason. I have restored it and added another reference to make the anecdote a lot less "personal" -- something the previous censor didn't seem to care for. I assume the censor was simply ignorant of this use of the word. Hopefully my entry has now added to his/her store of useful knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.244.102.254 (talk) 00:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "A cabbage is a nickname for someone socially inept."

Um, where? Not in the US, certainly.

well in new zealand its used as slang for anyone thats stupid

i dont see why my alternative meaning was taken out, thats unfair and wrong!
 * Well, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. While it may be entirely true that cabbage can refer to somebody stupid, most people would consider that fact just too trivial to include in an encyclopaedia. The wiktionary definition of cabbage, by contrast, includes this meaning. Hope this answers your question! --Spudtater 12:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

The term "cabbage" features prominantly in the most bogan cultures of New Zealand, most notably in small, boring, West Auckland suburbs. The likely source of this term is in reference to cannabis. Cabbage is commonly used to describe the leaf of the cannabis plant containing no buds. In comparison to the buds of the plant is has a very weak effect, much like Light Ice beer has in comparison to Steinlager. This can be very dissapointing to stoners. It is used for anybody who is laughable in being a stoner, alcy, slow, unattractive, lightweight, from the shore, or a twat in general. It has recently become popular in West Auckland to refer to the aforementioned as "Cabbage eow" (derived from the Maori suffix and popularised by the animated comedy TV series 'bro' town'). This evolved from "f**k eow" which in turn owes its existance to 'bro' town's' "not even eow". Until recently cabbage has been an offensive word of the same calibre as "nutter" and "f**ken weirdo", however it is rapidly attaining acceptance as Central Aucklanders (commmonly known as JAFAs) are realising that in some way or other, every Westie is a cabbage. In a bid to preserve the original meaning of cabbage, Westies have used their Kiwi ingenuity to re-invigorate the term, resulting in a number of sub-categories. These notably include Cauliflower, Cornflake, and for serial cabbages, Cabbageflake. The broadening of the term has also brought on certain catch phrases, primarily derived from Westie culture, such as "Once were Cauliflowers" ; "What becomes of the broken Cabbages" ; and "Cook the man a cabbage woman". In conclusion cabbage encapsulates the happy-go-lucky, non-materialistic, alchohol-worshipping culture of West Aucklands' youth.

Re: "In England, cabbage is a slang synonym for "cash", especially paper money." I'm a 52 year old Englishman who has lived in Stoke, Birmingham, Oxford and London, and I've never heard this usage. It may just be very localized, but my suspicion is that the thesaurus citation is simply incorrect

It is however widely used as an affectionate term for a stupid person, broadly equivalent to the American 'dummy'. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: "(colloquially referred to simply "kraut")" This is nothing but an unverified random fact and is probably just regional slang. I've certainly never heard sauerkraut refereed to as "kraut" and have eaten copious amounts of it my whole life. The only Am. English definition of the word "kraut" that I'm familiar with is slang from WWI and/or WWII meaning a German or a Nazi. This factoid ads little to the article and is generally misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.35.242 (talk) 13:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I am American and I have heard the shortened form, 'kraut', as in, 'a hot dog with kraut.' However, the use as 'çool' I have    never heard; perhaps it is a GenY term, and I am 61. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.217.188 (talk) 23:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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I changed the caption to indicate this is more properly called "flowering kale." Ref.:http://www.seedman.com/flowcab.htm Yopienso (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Broken Link
I changed the "About Sauerkraut" link at the bottom to a working one. Cabbages are yummy :)   (81.174.172.103 15:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)) in the arabian medicine cabbage juice used for gaetric ulcer  and  for  diabetic patients

Needs better pic
In my area Cabbages look like large waxy iceberg lettuce and every time I've seen them in movies (uncluding foreign movies) they look like that too. The pic used here looks like the Bok_choy specialty cabbage one gets from an asian produce market. I'm sure these pics are all in the cabbage family but they don't look like any cabbage I've ever eaten. Tiki God 13:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Medicinal Properties?
For some reason, the reference for the "cabbage poultice" is to some page about the academy awards, but I found the intended link. However, the page is merely an assertion by Chanchal Cabrera, a rabid naturopath, and it cites no evidence for this claim. It is further made suspect when it is recommended for use in treating everything from arthritis to gangrene and tumours, and I can find no rationale behind this. I have found a more reasonable note in the British Medical Journal about the use of cabbage to reduce swelling (and only swelling) in traditional European medicine that I will cite instead. However, the note is only a personal anecdote from a general practitioner, so until I can find any real evidence of its efficacy I will revise the article to better reflect the current state of knowledge about this traditional remedy. --πσ 12:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Phosphorescence?
according to http://www.gullible.info/archive.php?m=2006-08, the second line of August 30 (end of page), "Cabbage is mildly phosphorescent." Anybody know anythnig about this?

Cabbage as a weight loss diet
cabbage is also rich in fibres which make makes it good for persons who want to lose weight. but only for a short term. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sindygh (talk • contribs) 13:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

Weight loss cont
cabbage is a natural diuretic which means that it kinda drains the water locked in the body. this inturn means that the body will lose potassium and vitamins B when you try to use it as weight loss programs. therefore it is important you supplement this minerals. you can eat fruits such as banana or those rich in citric acids to supplement the potassium and get to a drug store and request for vitamin B, approximately 600mg for the loss of vit B. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sindygh (talk • contribs) 13:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

Question
Why does cabbage burn your mouth if you eat too much raw? Acid? or some weird chemical thuglasT 16:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it true that cabbage reduces sexual urge in women and makes men's sexual intensity to be faint? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.224.58.159 (talk) 02:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Discordianism
Is there some reason that this is one of the related links? --8472
 * Doesn't make any sense to me, I'm removing it. -- Dragonbeast 16:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Should the Cabbage be washed?
I need to know if hygienically, the cabbage should be washed, since some researches say that it shoudln't, or it is not bad not to wash it, as some others say that it has to be washed.
 * My mom got sick from eating unwashed cabbage. It basically depends on how it was stored, so I would say that unless you store it yourself and you trust your methods, you should probably wash it. 75.92.144.211 (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Cabbage
please give me a complete imformatoin about cabbage infested with diamond-back moth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.71.17.178 (talk) 09:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Babchka?
I never heard the "dense core of cabbage" being called "babchka" before reading this article. If you search "babchka" on Google, most of the pages you find are copies of this article. Other pages are in Russian. I don't know for certain whether this information is genuine, so I added a "citation needed" tag. If anyone can find a citation about that, please add it. If the whole "babchka" thing is bullshit, please remove it completely. Devil Master (talk) 10:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I found "babchka" in no English-language dictionary, I removed it. Fbarw (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Production
on that map says that romania has produced more cabbage than germany and it isnt wrote there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.113.3.51 (talk) 10:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Cures Ulcers?
A quick google search for "cabbage ulcers," yields many results. Should this information be included in this article?--98.112.20.232 (talk) 07:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Antibiotics cures ulsers see H.pylori and Helicobacter pylori eradication protocols. Be really careful of those "beeroot juice cures cancer" BS that's on line. There's a reason Ulcers are increasingly rare now and it's not because of cabbages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.25.75.72 (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

negative calorie food
Our article on negative calorie food suggests that such foods probably don't exist. I suggest that we remove the uncited claim that cabbage falls into this category. People have lived on nothing but cabbage for months (citation needed) so it cannot be "negative calorie". I propose to change the wording to read low calorie food which is generally accepted.  D b f i r s   07:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Loaf
Whilst it is true that the word "loaf" can refer to a "head" of cabbage (OED quotes an 1829 usage), this is not a common modern usage. The word "head" is the normal term throughout the English-speaking world (unless anyone knows of any exceptions?). "Cabbage loaf" refers to an alternative to "meat loaf" (i.e. a loaf made from cabbage), possibly originating in Jersey.  D b f i r s   12:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

the word "cabbage" is said to take origin in french word "caboche" (wich is still widely used in colloquial/slang language with the meaning of "head" or "cranium"). you say "caboche" may derivates from "boche": i think it is very doubtful and rather think that "caboche" is close to "cabeza" (="tete" french ; "head" spanish) and may share some etymologic roots with it... "boche" in modern french is a very derogatory term for "german", but this take origin in World War I. "cabbage" predates this well.. a.sorel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.206.162.141 (talk) 15:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Fermentation
The section on fermentation mentions sauerkraut, suan cai and kimchi. The first is correct, the second two are produced using Asian cabbages which although sharing the common name cabbage, are an entirely different species (Brassica rapa). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.77.190 (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The cabbage/corn beef picture
I laughed too, but honestly is there a picture thats less pornographic? The current one looks like someone jamming a cabbage in a lady's hoo-ha. 166.102.128.169 (talk) 20:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The similarity is so striking that I would guess it was used with no other intention :) 178.94.36.217 (talk) 12:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The Manatee Clan and their thirst for Cabbage
Manatee Clan Mon

Everything the Manatee Clan of Rokugan does is for Honor and Glory, but more importantly, we do it for the CABBAGE!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trickydpirate (talk • contribs) 20:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism
Check the first sentence. It is ridiculous enough for me to create an account to mention it. "Cabbageis not green, its purple, people are lying to you." — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoarderMiah (talk • contribs) 19:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Cabbage children
Does cabbage have something to do with orphaned children? In the movie Forbidden, a reporter asks a woman where a man found his adopted daughter, she responds with "He told me 'under a cabbage leaf'." Also, there is the Cabbage Patch Kids. So, is cabbage patch old fashioned slang for an orphanage? ToolAssembler (talk) 00:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it's an old answer offered to children when asked "Where did I come from ?" ... "We found you in a cabbage patch". StuRat (talk) 04:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * HeHe, that's cute. I searched the internet and couldn't find anything on that expression, strange. ToolAssembler2 (talk) 01:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Article re-write
Hi everyone - Just as a heads-up, I'm working on a rewrite of this article in a sandbox, here. I'm still working on it, but plan to drop it in sometime in the next week or so. Let me know if you have any comments! Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 20:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Why did you remove the cultivar infobox and replace it with a pre-APG III species taxobox? Brassica oleracea is where the current taxonomical information on the species is, and where it belongs. Maybe you have some information about this change on the article talk page. I will look there. However, if this article is about the food from the cultivar, then it I believe it should have the cultivar infobox. There is only one article per species, and that is the article that should have the species taxobox. Plant species articles on Wikipedia should have current, meaning APG III system, taxonomies, not currently rejected taxon names and mixed taxonomic systems. Eau (talk) 21:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Meh, I think the species taxobox is more informative, because it gives the family tree back a few more generations. However, it's not a big deal, so I've switched back to the cultivar infobox. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * "Type" has a specific meaning in taxonomy; it cannot be used as a word with a non-technical meaning. Please find a synonym. Eau (talk) 22:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I've fixed all of these. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * All the field trials in the source you provided ended by 2007; the site clearly lists the dates of the field trials. Did you use another source you have not provided? Eau (talk) 22:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You are correct, I hadn't noticed that. I have a couple of other sources I need to read through, that might have info on more recent GMO trials, but for now your modifications look good. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You give pre-1000 BC at one place, then later than 300 BC. Please clarify and source. Eau (talk) 22:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see where I've given a date of 300 BC? You placed a clarify tag after "It was probably domesticated later in history than Near East crops such as peas and summer wheat.", but these two crops were domesticated far, far, far earlier. Please clarify your confusion? The spot where you placed the fact tag is sourced to the next source given (Katz and Weaver), and I don't think that this statement is contentious enough to necessitate a duplication of the reference. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * "Cabbage (Brassica oleracea or variants) is a leafy green biennial, grown as an annual vegetable for its densely-leaved heads." and "Cabbage is generally grown for its densely leaved heads, produced during the first year of its biennial cycle." During the first year of the B. oleracea lifecycle. That is kinda the definition of cabbage. The biennial life cycle is not cabbage; cabbage is an annual. Eau (talk) 22:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The cabbage plant is a biennial. A cabbage head is the product of the first year of growth, the cabbage fruit/seed is the product of the second year. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Bubble and squeak
The info on bubble and squeak is not correct. The two most important ingredients are mashed potatoes and cabbage. It seems that it is generally thought of as a way to use leftovers. Leftover meat, bacon, sausage, etc., is added to make a more hearty dish, but is not necessary. Google the term and look at the recipes to confirm this. Gandydancer (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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