Talk:Cabinet wars

Clausewitz
It is highly confusing to mention C.v. Clausewitz in an article on cabinet wars without qualifying his famous statement that war is but the continuation of politics by other means. If Clausewitz was opposed to anything at all, then to the concept of cabinet wars. He spent a good deal of his career to explain that war, as an 'absolute' (i.e. purely philosophical) concept, tended to extremes and had to be pursued with the highest possible effort. This has only little to do with 'civilian control' as the article implies. According to Clausewitz all wars were political, whether they were limited wars or absolute wars. He simply regarded absolute wars as the 'superior' form - not for ethical reasons by the way, but this you can look up yourself :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.88.101 (talk) 23:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Feel free to edit, to me I see the root of etymology tracing back to "On War", but the book was not finished. He delineated between the three wars. If you know of better sources point me to them.

If you feel the inference is forced or incorrect feel free to remove. I am by far an expert. Jgmac1106 (talk) 18:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Lace Wars
In the wargaming and reenectment community this era runs with "Lace Wars". Would it be appropriate to mention this term in the introduction? ASchudak (talk) 17:36, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Colonial Wars
Should wars that were fought between European Empires exclusively on the colonies of the European Powers, and with exclusively colonial aims, be included in the list of "Cabinet Wars"? If so, I have three examples to suggest:


 * Anglo-Spanish_War_(1727–1729)
 * Spanish–Portuguese_War_(1735–1737)
 * Spanish–Portuguese_War_(1776–77)

I didn't feel like including these on the list because it was an examples list and it would add too much content to it, besides I was not sure if these "Colonial Wars" counted as "Cabinet Wars". But I will leave the idea here if anyone else find it appropriate to be added to the mentioned list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.36.176.42 (talk) 18:22, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

The great northern war
I don't agree that the great northern war fullfils the criteria for a cabinet war. For reference check this article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wrath

In the region of Finland the war was total warfare and the general population suffered from the occupation and fought guerilla war until the end.

The great northern war should be removed from the list of examples. 91.159.102.161 (talk) 22:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Needs Criticism Section
I did redid this article to add citations. It still should get a criticism section to those who feel the term "cabinet wars" removes agency from growing nationalism movements or does not acknowledge the "total war" nature of some of the conflicts. Jgmac1106 (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Huh? Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article was originally deleted. I rewrote using the original author's intent. I was noting that a criticism section should be added as many historians challenge the concept of "cabinet wars."
 * (I also did not replace the list of wars and conflicts as I have yet to find a citation or source that lists conflicts that qualify as "cabinet wars.")
 * I am looking for pieces that challenge the concept and think that belongs in a criticism subsection. Jgmac1106 (talk) 19:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Please be more careful in your writing., In English, proper nouuncs are not capitalized.  In "cabinet wars", neither "cabinet" nor "wars" should be capitalized, unless the phrase appears at the beginning of a sentence, in which was "Cabinet" is capitalized.   The phrase does not take the definite article "the", so "cabinet wars" is correct, not "the cabinet wars". Punctuation comes before references, not afterwards. In addition, some of your phrasing is awkward and hard to understand.  I've copyedited your text.  Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)