Talk:Calvià

Map
Let's see about adding a map showing Calvia's location on an island in the Med off the eastern coast of Spain, such as the map used in the es article. I'm not a map guru or I'd do it myself. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Difficult sentence in the Spanish original
I'm stuck on the following sentence in the es-wiki article. "En el repartimiento, formó parte de la medietas magnatum, que el rey donó a los cuatro porcioneros."

This presumes some division of territory with which I'm unfamiliar. I have no idea who were the four porcioneros (participants), nor do I properly understand the Latin mediatas magnatum. (Mediatas clearly means middle or middling or some such, and magnatum is clearly from the sme root as "magnate", but anything I did betond that would be guesswork.) Also, were there four separate divisions of which the medietas magnatum was only one? Very confusing. - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, thank you very much indeed for your translation. The land was divided into 4 different parts, one called medietas regis wich was half of the island granted to the king. The other half, was called medietas magnatis, we only know the goods belonging to medieta regis, as they are the only accounts in the book of the division (llibre del repartiment) but we think that magnatis was very similar. Medieta regis comprised 24 ovens, 2 baths, 320 tents, 2113 houses and about 150.000 land hectares. The porcioneros, were the nobles in charge of the divisions, they were, Guillem de Montcada, Hugo de Ampurias, Nuño Sánchez and Berenguer de Palou. I'd do the translation myself, but my english is not that good for these things. It is all referenced at Conquista de Mallorca por el rey Jaime I. Thanks again, i'll keep an eye on the article for any improvements or any request. Cheers. Rafax (talk) 06:04, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * As I continue with this, I have to say: an awful lot of the material in the history section is about Mallorca in general rather then Calvià in particular, and some of it is rather specifically about Palma. - Jmabel | Talk 05:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Jmabel. I have removed in both articles the lines about the arabic baths due being information belonging to Palma. The ancient era is supposed to be the same for the whole island and in fact, Calviá has probably one of the most if not the most important archaeologic parks in Mallorca and so is commented in the article. I'll keep clarifying the better the possible and removing whatever it concerns to Palma. Rafax (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello again. I have taken out a lot of information from the spanish article and made a few minor changes to clarify things, have a look and see if its any better. Cheers Rafax (talk) 22:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's kind of remarkable that this got to be a featured article in es-wiki with this off-topic content floating around. - Jmabel | Talk 23:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, that's what i'm here for, but i don't think that any of the wikies are perfect are they. All of them have issues, the most important is the will to mend these things and make the articles the better the possible. Anything else you may find wrong i'll be pleased to help and clarify. Thanks again for the job you are doing, we are in touch. Rafax (talk) 01:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

¿Casa del Pueblo?
From es-wiki: "El 30 de septiembre de 1923, se inauguró con un presupuesto de medio millón de pesetas la Casa del Pueblo." What is the Casa del Pueblo? A municipal building (ayuntamiento)? Something else? No context at all in the es-wiki article, no indication why it is significant. - Jmabel | Talk 18:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Casa del pueblo. Nowadays in Spain they're called Casa de cultura, but they have no relation at all with politics (library, computers, arts, courses, and anything related to culture and for free) in Calviá there are about 6 at least, maybe more. It is significant in the article due to the context about the socialism. Rafax (talk) 23:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. That was not linked in the es-wiki article, probably should be. - Jmabel | Talk 01:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, i linked it last night. Cheers Rafax (talk) 19:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Wealthy municipality
During the years, there have been popular claims about calviá being one of the wealthiests municipalities in Europe. To clarify this and due to being a request in this wiki, i have added in the economy section the following:
 * Debido a la diferencia cuantitativa entre población residente y la gran cantidad que acude en calidad de turista, no es posible evaluar el presupuesto municipal con relación a la primera, con la cual suele resultar que se simplifica como uno de los municipios aparentemente más ricos de Europa, en función de la inversión pública recibida per cápita. Rafax (talk) 20:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Translating loosely in English, and expanding slightly on the point (especially in parentheses), is this what you mean to say: "With habitation by a resident population (which itself includes many expatriates) and a large number of tourists at virtually all times, it is impossible to evaluate the municipal income as it relates only to the residents. What one can say is that Calvià appears to be one of the wealthiest municipalities in Europe, based on per capita public investment." - Jmabel | Talk 03:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, it means that the investment is divided into inprovements for both, the residents and the tourists so the huge monetary amount does not goes only for residents. Because of the amount inverted per capita, the popular classes claim we are one of the wealthiests municipalities, but this amount is adopted in Madrid i think. An awful lot of the money goes for improving the beaches, the marinas and all these things. Its quite confusing, i think it'd be better not to say anything about this popular claim and just write down about the quantity of the budget which could also be insignificant compared to others in Europe. Rafax (talk) 05:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Rain
In es-wiki: "4,9 hectómetros cúbicos de lluvia al año, 0,1 de retorno de riego y 0,2 de infiltraciones de agua residual." I don't have confidence in my understanding of the latter two phrases. Is retorno de riego what is used in irrigation, and infiltraciones de agua residual what is naturally absorbed? Or does this mean something else? - Jmabel | Talk 02:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * infiltración de Agua residual is Blackwater (waste) infiltrated in the land. Im not very sure about retorno de riego, but i think it means Drainage basin. Rafax (talk) 06:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I've now taken a shot at this. - Jmabel | Talk 18:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The water is purified first in a complex, i dont know what this is called in english. Hang on, its called sewage, sewage treatment plant. Rafax (talk) 20:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Barchilla
Rafax wrote: (unit to measure cereals, aprox 13,750 litres). I have changed this to "(unit to measure cereals, approximately 13750 l)". However, I suspect that there is a confusion here and Rafax intended to write "approx. 13.750 litres", a factor of 1,000 smaller. (English and Spanish reverse the role of comma and period in numbers.) Rafax, am I correct? - Jmabel | Talk 18:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right, thanks for clarifying. Rafax (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Mirador
Caption in es-wiki: "Ejemplares de Echium fastuosum en el mirador del parque del hotel Adriano, en la localidad del Toro." Mirador is a word that can mean quite a few different things; nothing in the picture makes the meaning here evident. Rafax, can you clarify? Possibly gazebo, given that it is in a park? But there is no gazebo evident in the picture... - Jmabel | Talk 05:54, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a viewpoint from a high place. From this park you get to see the whole bay of el Toro (Mallorca). Rafax (talk) 07:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So en here was a bit misleading.
 * Is this particular mirador just a viewpoint? A viewing platform? An enclosed structure with windows? All would have different names in English. - Jmabel | Talk 17:18, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not meant to be a viewpoint, its a park situated on top of a cliff and there's a balcony around the border of the cliff from where you can watch the whole bay. Rafax (talk) 23:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm. This still doesn't quite make sense: in English a "balcony" is not really something a park can have, only a building. At this point I've worded the caption to avoid having to translate mirador here. - Jmabel | Talk 03:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * balustrade or reilings i meant. You can skip it, it does not make any difference, i think we use the park of the mirador to disambiguate between two other parks in the area, but the park of th e hotel adriano is understood as well. Rafax (talk) 07:06, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Dubious
The text of the article currently states "Although the vegetation on the cliffs is sparse, it merits special interest as a habitat for endemic plant species such as Naufraga balearica, the perennial herb Hippocrepis balearica, and Dianthus alpinus..."; I have a number of problems with this statement. According to the IUCN (see Naufraga), Naufraga only occurs at the northern end of the island, not around Calvià. Dianthus alpinus is endemic to the eastern Alps, and does not occur anywhere in Spain (according to Proyecto Anthos). The source cited for these claims doesn't appear to contain the information, either. --Stemonitis (talk) 09:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello Stemonitis, i have just seen your post. I have not searched for a good reference yet, but as stated in 2.1 Descripción del hábitat: Se encuentran aproximadamente a 100 y 200 m sobre el nivel del mar en zonas ventosas y afectadas por los aerosoles marinos Portals Vells would then be the perfect scenario for the plant to grow, as this area has the highest cliff to the sea side of the municipality. Also, keep in mind that the north area of the municipality is deep inside the Serra de Tramuntana. Rafax (talk) 23:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed Naufraga balearica from the article as i dont find any reference about this plant growing in the municipality. Rafax (talk) 12:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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