Talk:Camel's nose

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See also Give A Moose a Cookie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.52.182 (talk) 05:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Merge/Disambiguation
This article should be dab because the phrase refers to two concepts which already have identical articles. Consider it a merge where there is no content to merge. On what basis do you think the article should belong by itself? It does not assert its independent notability/relevancy. See these points from Help:Merging and moving pages.


 * 1) Duplicate - There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject.
 * 2) Overlap - There are two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe. For example, "Flammable" and "Non-flammable" can both be explained in an article on Flammability. -- Grumpyyoungman01 23:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Foot in the door, Slippery slope, Domino effect, and Camel's nose articles about metaphors speak about similar, but different things, and they cannot be redirected to each other. You can also throw the For Want of a Nail and Boiling frog into this batch, as well as numerous version of "give them an inch, they'll take a mile" from various languages. "Camel's nose" is also a historical expression of its own historical value. If you are not expert in these concepts, then you better not mess with the articles (which require their own cleanup, btw). I can write a long explanation why all these expressions are different, but it is mot my business, and the expression is very famous and deserves an article.

That nobody bothered to write it, means only that most people in wikipedia are interested in pokemon, pornstars and inter-ethnic conflicts. If you look into my page, you will see that I have written an enormous number of articles in areas I don't really expert, for the sole reason to oppose guys like you who have most fun in deleting an article than to research and write it for good. When I will have time, I will fix this one as well, but now, please go away and try to kill a more defenseless page. I am sure there are plenty of them around. `'юзырь:mikka 00:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

"A journey"
I am not really an expert, but the quotation about "A journey" is equally attributed
 * to Confucius (eg. see Laozi, as transl. from 万里之行始于足 下)
 * and to  Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching  (see wikiquote:Tao Te Ching (Wikisource translation), Chapter Sixty-Four, "A far-reaching journey is begun from a small step" as transl. from 九層之臺起于累土)

And here I see 千里之行始于足下. In other words, our wikiquote needs thousand li to go to become believable.

I am well aware that internet is one huge pile of garbage, if you don't knw where to look. Therefore I would really like to have a solid reference, not precluding the possibility that one of these Chinese simply quoted another one. `'юзырь:mikka 06:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I think the Confucius attestation is likely the older. Also, the oldest Lao Tzu text discovered archaeologically at Guodian (Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching A Translation of the Startling New Documents Found at Guodian by Robert G. Henricks, Columbia University Press, 2000 ISBN 0231118163) actually says something like "A building of great height starts with one spadeful of dirt" so it is likely that it was later harmonised with the Confucius version. They convey the same idea, but it seems likely to me that the Confucius is the original. --Fire Star 火星 06:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention that I wasn't previously aware of the Confucius version, hence my edit. --Fire Star 火星 06:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I forgot to sufficently strongly explain that the information I provided here is unreliable (as most of internet), and I am not saying that Confucius did say something like this at all. I am saying that some unknown people say "Confucius say", so don't worry here. `'юзырь:mikka 07:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "A journey" has been removed. Nurg (talk) 11:18, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Ref for Arab saying
I would also really like to have a reliable reference from profesional folkloric source about the allegedly Arab saying (as opposed to Scudder's). The one which refers to sources at least several hundred years back. I am beginning to suspect that the camel's nose was invented by this Scudder guy :-) And I do know precendents of such pseudo-folkloric root-attribution. `'юзырь:mikka 06:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)