Talk:Canadian honours order of wearing

What about hereditary titles and university degrees? Is there no rule for example which comes first a hereditary title, university degree (ie. Ph.D. or M.D.), or an award or order? I have yet to find any information on this topic and would be grateful if anyone can expand on this question. It would I think be a suitable topic to be covered in this article.

QC Placement
Is there a cite that shows that QC comes before CMM? I really doubt that it does, and if nobody can come up with one, I'm going to move it to near the bottom where it is in most Commonwealth countries.-- Ibagli rnbs ( Talk ) 07:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Order of Canada registry for John Crosbie shows QC as coming well after CMM.-- Ibagli rnbs ( Talk ) 08:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have removed this: while the placement as a post-nominal is correct, PC and other honorifics are not within the purview of this article about medals, decorations, and the like. Its placement in this list is also uncited.  I, therefore, will endeavour to remove any entitlements not in the CF Medals Chart or  the order of precedence at the Governor General's website.  Thanks.  Bosonic dressing (talk) 21:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Canadian Forces Medallion for Distinguished Service
This Medallion should not be in this article. It is not in the Canadian Order of Precedence of Orders, Decorations and Medals. If you wish to list this, please place it in Orders, decorations, and medals of Canada. I will be removing it now.JMesh (talk) 22:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Items not in order of precedence
Rather than create a new section each time an item that does not belong in the order of precedence, I have created this one to unify all of these.

The Ontario Medal for Young Volunteers is not currently in the order precedence. See http://www.gg.ca/honours/op/index_e.asp for confirmation. Accordingly, I am removing it. JMesh (talk) 01:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Scope of list
I've removed (again) the UN Good Offices Mission in Afghanistan & Pakistan Medal (subesequently also restoring carelessly undone general MoS edits I made). A note left at my talk page indicated that the DND honours chart was being used to determine what should be included in this article. However, this page is titled "Canadian order of precedence (decorations and medals)" [emphasis mine], and the Canadian order of precedence for honours does not include the above mentioned medal, though it is shown in the DND chart. Given the scope of this page, I think the latter source should be considered a more relevant guide than the former. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  12:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've re-added (again) UN Good Offices Mission in Afghanistan & Pakistan Medal because, to quote the DND site: "This chart shows the sequence of wear for the majority of modern Canadian orders, decorations and medals" (emphasis mine). I'd say that is a good source for showing order of precedence wouldn't you? Also this site (http://www.williamscully.ca/documents/medal_chart_english.pdf shows another chart that still shows the "UN Good Offices Mission in Afghanistan & Pakistan Medal". In fact all the sites I checked included it, so I put it back. Also, I e-mailed your site to see if it whether it was intentionally left off, it's not a wearable award, or it was an accident. If they say intentional I'll gladly erase it, but as it is more site say it is Versus 1 that doesn't mention it.


 * Also I didn't carelessly undo the your MoS work, it was rather intentional, since I was using the proper names as per the Official military website which states the UN medals start with "United Nations" or "UN" ie "UN Truce Supervision Organization in Palestine" and not "Truce Supervision Organization in Palestine", although I'll leave that (for now anyways). Dr. Stantz (talk) 23:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I apologise if I made erroneous edits to medal names; there were, however, other general MoS edits that were reverted.
 * As for the UNGOMAP medal: the Order-in-Council that sets the order of wear for honours does not include it. I don't think we can get much more official than that. It's not included in the The Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of the Canadian Forces, either (page 2A1-2 [pdf page 80]). -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  02:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Response from gg.ca
This is a copy of an e-mail I received regarding the UN medal:

"I apologize for the delay in answering your email. I am currently working on our own website (Honours Section), which will soon be updated.

As you noted, DND's Chart http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/chc-tdh/index-eng.asp include some medals that are not in our website. You can certainly include them. They are part of the Canadian Honours System. As mentioned, we are updating our website. In time, they will also be included on our website http://www.gg.ca/honours/medals/index_e.asp under "International Commission and Organization Medals". We are only mentioning four Nato medals, but as you know there are many others. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to contact me. I'll do my best to answer them. Sincerely yours, Annabelle Cloutier"
 * Well, that's certainly interesting; mostly because someone from Government House actually responded. Regardless, Ms Cloutier still hasn't confirmed where in the order of precedence this medal sits; as noted above, and now in the article, it isn't anywhere in the Order-in-Council that sets the precedence of honours, decorations, and medals. The best I can think to do is show the UN Good Offices medal as the unique case it apparently is. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  22:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

British awards prior to 1972
Where do knighthood and damehood awards fit into the precedence list of awards (including British awards) made prior to 1 June 1972? Or did all knighthood and damehood awards (GCB, KCB, GCMG, etc) lose their precedence after Canadian awards (such as the Order of Canada) were introduced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.41.97 (talk) 09:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * In looking at the pre-1972 order of wear, it does not mention them. However, since Mackenzie King returned to power in 1935, the Canadian government has not made recommendations for titular honours. If you go farther back in time wouldn't Canadian subjects have just followed the order of wear published by the London Gazette? EricSerge (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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