Talk:Cardassian/Archive 1

Soviet Union?
Wouldn't it be more accurate to state that the Cardassian political structure more closely resembles fascism (i.e. Mussolini's Italy, or Hitler's Germany) rather than the Soviet Union? Without getting into a political debate, the USSR was sort of a perversion of socialist and communist ideals, while the various fascist experiments were very much in keeping with the theories and philosophies.

The Cardassians, however, with their focus on the state and its dominance over the individual, as well as their celebration of militarism, seem to be an almost complete copy of the various fascist regimes. Just a thought. -JM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.160.118 (talk) 07:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This guy has a point, the original creators of the Cardassians may have based them on a perverted Cold War perception of the Soviet Union, but that does not mean that the Cardassian Union is similar at all to the Soviet Union. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.43.182 (talk) 08:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. In the TNG episode Chain of Command, the David Warner character described the Cardassian government as a "Military Dictatorship."  That points to Fascism, not Communism.THD3 (talk) 13:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Spoonheads
In discussing the nature of the "Spoonheads" it is mentioned that the spoon shape is on their chest. Is it meant the chest of their uniforms? I can think of that episode where Gul Dukat and Sisko are on that desert planet together (the one where we meet Tora Ziyal?) I think that Dukat takes his suit off, but is the spoon on his chest. I was going to make the change, (to the chest of their uniform) but a roomate said that he thinks it's actually on their chest. Anyone have the episode that they could watch it? McKay 08:10, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I included that info because I seem to remember it from an episode where Quark's Cardassian ex-girlfriend visits the station in one of the early seasons. She had a plunging neckline and it was plainly visible, IIRC.--StAkAr Karnak 11:19, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * So can we get anyone to actually watch those episodes? I don't have any of the seasons purchased, tho I might be able to find them on TV or from a friend somewhere. If anyone can post the names of either of the episodes (and seasons?) that would probably help.McKay 07:20, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Actually, in the chapter where we meet Tora Ziyal, it is Gul Dukat and Major Kira who are on the desert planet together (they went there to find a cardassian prisioner transport that had been missing for years, where both Ziyal and a former friend of Kira were travelling). I don't really remember for sure whether Dukat's chest is visible in this episode, but I don't think it was, at least not completely. Capi 22:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen the episode in a while, but if you look at the screenshot from the Wikipedia page on the episode (Profit and Loss (DS9 episode)) it shows the Cardasian with the low cut dress. There are three ridges about the same size as the ones the forehead that converge.  Where they meet does sort of resemble a "bumpy" spoon.  The screenshot isn't the best quality and it isn't very close to her so someone should check the episode, but I hope that helps some. Scaper8 06:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Woot, thread necromancy! 2 1/2 years to get a response! Yeah, I'll try to check out that episode (and a couple others). Thanks!
 * Heh, I've since purchased all the episodes, does anyone know which episode is the one where Dukat and Kira are on the planet together, so I can go watch it? McKay 14:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Indiscretion (Season 4) McKay (talk) 17:36, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

NPOV
In the under dominion leadership section, we see the phrase "unfortunately for the federation". That does seem to be on the side of the Federation. Cardassians coming to this site could be offended that this page takes that position. Should we change it to "Fortunately for the [cardassians|dominion] for neutral point of view purposes? I think it would be best removed (the phrase) entirely McKay 08:10, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * You're kidding, right? Kaz 23:35, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * i think he is right--GregLoutsenko 23:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * WP:Bold I did it. McKay 16:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletion Obsession
Could you leave the quote from the producer as it is, please, without expanding and misrepresenting it? It says: "We had created the Ensign Ro character last season and created a set of aliens in the Bajorans and the Cardassians and a situation that was sort of a Palestinian- or Israeli- or American Indian-tale situation of a disenfranchised people dominated for years." Many thanks, Slim 03:26, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * You need to stop deleting whole blocks of text which pre-existed the quote entirely. It is now clearly worded so the quote and text are not inextricably linked, that they do need to match precisely. When you can entire chunks of text, you display your own PoV. This isn't about needing to turn the entire wikipedia into a set of quotes with no surrounding text, but about your dislike of the comparison, though it is true. Kaz 03:44, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * You are being incredibly childish. Your version has two identical sections called Biology, yet you keep reverting to it, and this proves these are reversions, not edits. All I am doing is removing that repetition, and your one sentence before the quote, because your sentence does not accurately reflect the quote. The producer does NOT mention Nazis. That is YOUR opinion. Slim 04:13, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * "The Cardassian race is written to resemble the Israeli government or Nazi Germany, especially how it occupied the homeland of the Bajoran people for fifty years, who were modeled after the Palestinians or the Jews, and put them to work in concentration camps." According to whom?  Certainly not according to the quote and link following.  Is this something you have a link for, or is it your own POV/original research? Jayjg  |  (Talk)  04:23, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * If you were trying to compare Cardassian to any nation, you were be wrong to compare them to Nazi Germany. Germany and thus Nazi Germany has been known to have a lot of resources to provide for the country's needs. Nazi Germany only differs sightly because the terms of the Treaty of Versailles demanded that Germany would be stripped of resources. If you look at the cannon referance to Cardassian history, it quite clearly stated that Cardassia was a resource low world which needed to expand to support it, leading to a militaristic stance. Kingbarney 18:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments by Michael Piller
Michael Pillar's comments are in reference to "Ensign Ro", a fifth season episode of TNG. They do not in any way describe the "situation", however they do describe that particular episode. These comments have been removed since they are inaccurate in the context of this article, as those comments refer to a particular episode and not to the Cardassian/Bajoran conflict in general. The user is welcome to add those comments to an article about that episode. --Viriditas | Talk 10:36, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Cardassian military ranks
The material in Cardassian military ranks seems appropriate for this article, perhaps in a new "Military" section -- esp. once the conjectural material from the ranks page is culled; there isn't enough substance there to warrant a stand-alone article. EEMeltonIV 02:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, a little thing, the page states that legats control orders, yet gul dukat often introduces himself as "Gal Dukat, Commander of the 2nd Order". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.130.240.54 (talk) 07:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree . A subsection of the Cardassians does not need its own page. M@$+ @  Ju ~  ♠  21:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. --  Zanimum 11:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Ranks
The Ranks of Gul, Glinn and Legate have appeared on screen.....I'm not sure on the others. Aeon 17:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * "Gil" appears in the "ST:DS9 Technical Manual", which was created by Star Trek production staff (and can therefore be considered "semi-canon"). It's legit.  Roundeyesamurai 07:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Stratocracy this is a neologism but a valid one combining Stratos(Στρατός)"Army" and "Cracy" or "kracy" (κράτια)" might or government". Sochwa 22:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Non-Canon Information
Whomever "210.50.228.6" is, this is directed to him/her: I did not do a "huge blanking" as your note claims. I removed non-canon information which is purely speculative and incorrect. Your assertion that my edit "may be wrong" is pure bunk. Roundeyesamurai 08:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed the following:
 * It is rumored that deep hypnosis also plays a role in Cardassian schooling.

This has never been stated on-screen or in acceptable sources, and is therefore non-canon/speculative. Roundeyesamurai 05:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Creation and credit
Having seen The Wounded not too long ago, I was surprised to find out that that was their first appearance. It was a good episode. But that got me thinking; if that was their first episode, who created them? Is this something the execs were planning all along? Or are the writers of that one episode the creators, and are they getting royalties for every Cardassian episode since? Beyond the mention of their first episode, a real-world history would be interesting, I think. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 06:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Guest stars
Why does it say David Warner was a common guest star on TNG? As far as I can recall, he only appeared in "Chain of Command" on TNG and two of the movies (neither of them TNG and never as a Cardassian). Marc Alaimo is a far better choice. He appeared several times in TNG, and he was the first Cardassian seen ("The Wounded"), and he also had the recurring role of Gul Dukat on DS9. If no one objects, I'll change this...--Tiberius47 07:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Cardassian logo
The insignia strikes me as incredibly vuvlar, with some suggestion of a bird of prey. Since the race is reptillian, anyone know the inception of this logo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.103.44.37 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

86.147.59.161 23:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean, but I think it looks a bit like a king cobra or other snake.

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Merge in Obsidian Order
That article has no notability, it should be made a section of this one. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Cardassia Prime
The existing page was suggested for deletion, and then immediately converted to a redirect to this page. At the vary least an Admin should do a proper merge so that the entire history is here. More in line with policy as I understand it would be to restore the Cardassia Prime page and actually discuss its deletion/merger first. —MJBurrage(T•C) 15:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Captain Braxton and the Cardassians
I think what Capt. Braxton said in that episode was actually "quasi-Cardassian totalitarian" in reference to the policeman who wanted to take him to a shelter or the police station. I think "pseudo" should be replaced by "quasi" in that quote. Please object to or support this statement before I edit this page.--Francopedorro (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The Prophets destroyed the Dominion Fleet as they came through the wormhole??
Unless I am mistaken, Captain Sisko asked the Prophets in a vision to "send them away" (referring to the Dominion Fleet). If I recall correctly, they did just that, and sent the fleet away, back deep into Dominion Space. Anyone able to back this up? (I don't have any of the season DVD's hehe)WPinky (talk) 22:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

That's correct, and Captain Sisko was condemned never to find rest on Bajor.--Francopedorro (talk) 18:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The fleet went in one end of the wormhole and did not come out the other. There is no other evidence that suggests anything other than this happened.


 * If we want to get fernickety, it was mentioned in one of the spin-off novels that the fleet had been teleported elsewhere in the universe. But the existing text is sufficient for the article, as the information put across in the tv show doesn't hint at that. Justin.Parallax (talk) 16:49, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Assessment
I have added a quality assessment rating and importance rating to this article. Feel free to change them as the article improves! Also, feel free to add more issues to the list below, and strike them out ( strike ) when they're completed. — OranL (talk) 04:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable issues

 * Article does not cite references in-line.
 * The article may be written in a manner that is too technical for people who are not familiar with the subject.

yamok sauce
This is mentioned loads in the series as a Cardassian delecacy and should be added to the foods section. I'd do it myself but have bad experiences of editing wiki pages, so just saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.213.28 (talk) 23:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Never Ending Sacrifice
in the article it had that the book's plot involved the protagonists struggle against the tyranny of the Klingon Empire, this is untrue. the never ending sacrifice involves several generations lifelong devotion to the state. Garak gives Bashir another book involving a future war between the Cardassians & Klingons. I have altered the article accordingly. Yours Grimm MD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.6.165.43 (talk) 18:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Obsidian Order
I seriously think the Obsidian Order part shouldn't be in the front. I think it should be pushed to the back in something like Military and Intelligence Organizations. Bladeor (talk) 07:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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