Talk:Carlo Rossetti

Supporting contextual considerations

Much of the Carlo Rossetti story has been lost to history but associated historical facts and incidents should be considered alongside his biography. It should be noted that these talk-page comments are based on other articles and references and should not be considered to have the same referenced reliability as in-article facts. They would, for lack of a better term, be considered original research. In no particular order:

• It is possible Rossetti styled himself as an envoy of Don Taddeo Barberini rather than that of Antonio or Francesco Barberini. Taddeo's status as Prince of Palestrina, rather than a Cardinal like his brothers, would have been a better vouch-safe for Rossetti's clandestine mission which must have needed to look, to outside scrutiny, entirely secular. It is, therefore, possible for Rossetti to have travelled to London as a diplomatic envoy of the Barberini without it being assumed he was an envoy of the Roman Catholic Church.

• The Barberini, via French-nuncio Antonio Barberini and francophile Pope Urban VIII, had a strong relationship with King Louis XIII of France and his First Minister Cardinal Richelieu. These relationships, along with Rossetti's own strong relationship with Queen Henrietta Maria of France, were no doubt vital to his receiving safe passage to mainland Europe at the outbreak of the Bishops' Wars.

• Some of the references given read as if Rossetti presented two very different personalities while in England: one as a charming Italian nobleman travelling Europe and; two as a revolutionary, secretly funding attacks on the Parliament of England by Irish Catholics while suggesting he was a Protestant. It is unclear if the two existed side-by-side or if his mission developed andf forced a change from one to the other.

References clarifying any of these points would be most welcome. Stalwart111 (talk) 06:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

John Bargrave

Bargrave was an English Anglican prelate, who travelled to Rome several times. He was not in any inner circles in Rome, and certainly did not frequent the papal antechamber. Nonethess he is a fount of Roman gossip—and that is what it is, gossip. He is especially keen on gossip that throws a negative light on pope and cardinals. He is not infrequently wrong about matters large and small. In the case of this text, it is doubtful he heard the Pope say what the quote says he said. Unless a better source can be found, I think the quote ought to be dropped, or a warning provided. Vicedomino (talk) 01:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Went to England as A Cardinal?

The opening sentence strongly implies that Rossetti went to England as a cardinal. That seems to contradict the text. Somebody do the right fix?Vicedomino (talk) 02:40, 18 March 2016 (UTC)