Talk:Carole King/Archive 1

song writer
More people should know what she has written. No matter where you go you hear one of her songs.Chains,Up On the Roof, Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow, Natural Woman, Pleasant Valley Sunday, One Fine Day, Go Away Little Girl, classics.way to go Carole.
 * True. The article now lists songs by both Goffin & King. But wouldn't a complete list of everything she's written be in order? And I find several songs missing from the list as is. Trouble is I might not know where to start looking!

"Tapestry was placed at #36 on the Rolling Stones top 500 which is the highest placement held by a woman. [1]"

This is wrong. The link shows Joni Mitchell at #30.
 * This has been corrected. Grstain | Talk 14:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Birth year
Was she not born in 1940, rather than 1942 ?

Derek R Bullamore 22:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Carole King on Broadway
There is no mention in the Carole King bio that she appeared on Broadway, I saw her in a production -- I can't remember the name -- on Broadway some time in the 1990s. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.173.12.197 (talk) 05:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Broadway information has been added: In 1988 she starred in the off-Broadway production A Minor Incident, and in 1994 she played the role of Mrs. Johnstone on Broadway in Blood Brothers. — Grstain | Talk 20:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Which kind of music she performs? Punk? Heavy metal? Disco?
I came to this page to learn which kind of the music Carole King played, and guess what - it is impossible or almost impossible to know on the base of this article. So, after reading it, I still do not know if I'm interested in any album of this artist. More essence, less technicalities.
 * Ridiculous. Are you saying you don't know a single hit hyperlinked here? Are you saying you can't find one at YouTube? Are you humiliating this artist by trying to stuff her into one of your convoluted categories? More brains, less arrogance.
 * If you can't be bothered to sign your posts, don't rip into others for their valid questions. The purpose of an encyclopedia article is to explain fully why something is important enough to be included.  If a reader cannot determine from reading the article what kind of music King writes, then the article has a problem and requires fixing.  If an encyclopedia were written only for people who already knew everything about all of the subjects within, there wouldn't be any point in writing it. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Um, I do know Carole King's music over the years. I can say she doesn't do punk, heavy metal, or disco, but darn if I could put her in any particular catagory either. Could be Motown, but she's not what anyone pictures when we think "Motown." Not blues, but she's got the blues in many of her songs. "Pop" might work, but that term has changed over the decades, too. Folk? Not quite - too instrumental. If a gun was pointed at my head, I'd say "green rock," but very few know what that means. I don't think it was well-known description when that was a description.

So, instead of complaining that someone asked the quesion that is too hard to answer, or that someone else can't believe the person wouldn't check out the links (and, seriously, if you want to know if you like someone's music, finding YouTube is the obvious answer, not Wiki), how about answering the question? IMO, it can't be done. At best, I think we can say "sorta like James Taylor, Carly Simon, Crosby, Stills, Nash and/or Young, John Denver, Helen Ready, Anne Murray, and a few others. Or, in short, 'green rock.'" What's your guess? 108.2.180.53 (talk) 02:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The article calls Tapestry "folk-flavored", but I don't see (hear, I guess) this. Most of King's music (excepting special things like "Pleasant Valley Sunday") and especially the music on Tapestry, I'd describe as soulful, slightly jazzy, subtly sophisticated soft-rock. TheScotch (talk) 07:02, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Article improvement suggestion
The chart in this article mentions only collaborations with Gerry Goffin, then separately cites a few other songs by King in the body of the text. Better is the format of the chart in article about Goffin, which cites collaborative authors in the body of the chart. That chart would allow inclusion of other material attributed to King compactly and in an informative manner (such as "(I'll Do My) Crying in the Rain", an Everly Brothers hit).

Also, the note to "King fans" at the top of this discussion page (as of this writing) might be removed, as it seems incompatible with Wikipedia's "no soapbox" criterion, even though it's embedded in the talk page rather than the article.

24.178.228.14 (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Article improvement suggestion
'Will be inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame in 2007' needs fixing. Deletion may make the best sense, since I'm not sure why the LIMoF award matters to anyone except residents of the greater NYC and Long Island areas.

I'd have changed chronology and been done with this, but after visiting the LIMoF website and confirming the '07 inductees, I couldn't confirm *WHEN* the '07 ceremony was - the LIMoF site is still talking about their upcoming '06 gala. Sigh... At this point, I sort of decided that a two-year-old hall of fame for a region only noteworthy because it serves as a bedroom community for the NYC rich and famous (and that inducts anyone that merely *lived* in Long Island... how low of a bar is THAT!?) -- I didn't **care** if Long Island thinks she's all that and a bag of chips.

In any case, since it is Feb 9th: still Happy Birthday, Carole.

67.60.92.8 (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. This award is of no more than provincial interest.  With a subject of this importance, such trivia is dead wood and totally expendable.  Conversely, for a subject of lesser importance, noting a Long Island music award few have heard of is not going to burnish their reputation or make any kind of case for their significance.   Relgif (talk) 02:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Heroin, not cocaine
Seems Rick Evers, King's husband, died of a heroine overdose, not cocaine. The Salon article reference about King even says heroine, plus Google finds a lot more references to his dying of heroine than cocaine. Safe bet is heroine (so to speak).Jelsova (talk) 02:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV
Discussion of the relative merits of the bill that she supported are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. A neutral description of the bill along with a citation would be more appropriate. --AlanK (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I just did a general cleanup of the article, including an attempt to address the POV issues tagged (mostly by eliminating off-topic digression on the bill supported). Take a look and see if you are ok with the tag going away.  Jgm (talk) 05:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Overall a very nice clean-up. You not only addressed the issues, but improved readability. --AlanK (talk) 19:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

"Carole" or "Carol?"
Read entire page closely. Article claims by turns that both spellings ("Carole" and "Carol") were this inestimable songwriter's birth name. Which is really correct? Relgif (talk) 02:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

King
How did King acquire her name? If it's not her birth name or her husband's name, is it a stage name? Did she do all her music under the name King? I'm surprised the article does not mention this. Sluggoster (talk) 08:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Fictional versions of Carol King
Lightly fictionalized versions of Carol King have appeared in Hollywood movies:


 * Teenage Louise in American Hot Wax
 * Denise Waverly / Edna Buxton in Grace of my Heart

In the latter case, the intent was made even clearer by including new original songs written by King's ex-songwriting partner Gerry Goffin and her daughter Louise Goffin]. Should these fictional versions be included? They reflect the depth of King's impact on pop music. K8 fan (talk) 02:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds like trivia to me (meaning I'm inclined to suppose this information should not be included). By the way, are you sure these characters are based on Carole King or do they just remind you of Carole King? Anyway, don't obliquely "reflect on King's impact"; state fact. We can reasonably assume all notable persons will affect the culture and the more famous, the more they will affect it; we don't need (ever) lists of trivia to demonstrate this. TheScotch (talk) 06:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Requires expansion
From the article:
 * After time, King lost touch with Goffin because of his declining mental health and the effect it had on their children.

This requires additional explanation. The possibility that he had mental health issues that affected their children (and presumably their marriage) is important and can't be tossed off like this. Goffin's own article makes no mention at all of any mental health issues, suggesting that this might even be inaccurate or mistakenly derived from the cited source. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 17:44, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Goffin and King?
I think readers deserve to know the nature of the collaboration. Did King write the music and Goffin the lyrics like Rodgers and Hammerstein or Lerner and Loewe or did both write music and lyrics like Lennon-McCartney or Walter Becker and Donald Fagin? TheScotch (talk) 07:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)