Talk:Carolinian language

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CNMI
Does anyone know how to write "Northern Mariana Islands" in Carolinian? I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.

ying's notes
I have not finished my article yet, and I will try to finish it by tonight. Also, I do not know how to insert a graph in the geographic section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liying315 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Catherineʻs notes
All the modern demographic info can be put into one section called Demography or called Geography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatLizLee (talk • contribs) 21:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

morgan's Notes
Shift the classification to become a header for the article. Mainly that second little paragraph in the classification section could be moved to the top as a nice little intro blurb. "....Spanish official on Guam, who is Don Luis de Torres, began...."--->"...Spanish official on Guam, Don Luis de Torres, began..." that would be a good correction In you history section you make some suggestions about how certain things could be done. try to stay away from that as it implies bias into the article

Switch geographic to Geography

The culture section is really cool but I feel like it is out of place in a article stub dedicated to the language itself. the only way I can see you justifying this sections continued inclusion is if you add a portion that tells us why it is important to the language and the languages development as a whole

Work on the formatting for the past orthographies. maybe make it bulleted. it currently seems really cluttered

Review from Anthony
In the first paragraph I see a few small grammar errors. Such as areas should just be area. Also you said Chammorros twice when you were talking about the population. I don't know if there is supposed to be a third group of people there instead of 15000 chamorros and 1000 chamorros. Another thing I might recommend doing is moving some of your classification section into your lead because the lead needs number of speakers, location, and possible related languages. I feel your Classification section has a lot of that information so you could just summarize some of that and put it as your lead. I would use your second paragraph under your classification section as your lead. Then you could add in The number of speakers, then that would be a pretty good lead. In your history tab second sentence should be "homeland of austronesian languages." In the second sentence of the third paragraph in the history tab, I recommend taking out the "who is" that's before HG Johnson. As far as your structure goes though I think the structure is excellent. The flow of the article makes sense. I do recommend making a separate section for demography. Also maybe delete the section names for sections you don't have information for by the time the final is due. In your phonology section, I think you should explain some of the more technical words. Such as lenis and spirantized because I don't think a lot of people are going to know what those words mean. Oh and in your alphabets section, I think you mean to say letters, not alphabets. As in 28 letters.Your writing is non-biased which is good and your information seems solid. The only things I could see were that you have some small spelling and grammar mistakes. I've listed a few throughout this review but I recommend reading through your article to find those. For example I think you spelled usually wrong and least wrong. Also in your resources, you seem to have the same source listed 6 times. You should take that out just list each source once. If you want to reuse a source use the cite and then reuse a source option to use it again. Some final things is I recommend adding some morphology information if possible to balance out all the history information that you have. These are the things I recommend editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amartin127 (talk • contribs) 21:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Review from Pierson
I really like the amount of linking you've done in your article. Pretty much any time another island, language, or people is mentioned, you've linked their wiki page, which is incredibly helpful.

In the third sentence of the "Classification" section, you say "The population is about 15,000 are Chamorros and 1,000 are Chamorros and 4,000 are Carolinians." I'm a little confused as to what that means. Are there two different types of Chamorros? Did you mean 11,000 Chammoros and 4,000 Carolinians, totalling 15,000 residents?

I would definitely add a header that summarizes the main, general facts about your language, such as where it's spoken, what languages it's related to, and how many speakers it has. Basically the stuff that's in the side box, just written out in plain language.

In the "History" section, you use some not-wikipedia language, such as "It would be good to..." at the beginning of the second paragraph. Try to avoid using language that contains implicit judgments. It sounds a little bit like you're telling a story in this section, which is understandable, because you're probably summarizing a really long history of this place, but making it sound more like an encyclopedia article rather than a narrative is important.

Try to make sentences flow better, for example, consider linking sentences together. The second paragraph, then, would look more like:

"To see the stages of speech evolution on Saipan resulting from continued layers of "blending" would require exact information on migrations from 1815 onwards. Unfortunately, the historical records of movements to Saipan often conflict, and it is unclear which group preceded which. It is certain, though, that during the 19th century the form of speech on Saipan was in a constant state of flux, with speakers coming and going between Saipan and the atolls."

Some phrases feel a little awkward to read, such as "According to the history of the language..." and the entire sentence that follows it in the "Cultures" section is hard to understand. Maybe reduce that first sentence to "It's critical in Carolinian culture to show respect in one's speech, especially towards the elderly," (If that was what you were trying to say). Also from a formatting standpoint, since "second", "third", and "last" each have their own paragraph, consider breaking the "first" part into it's own paragraph too.

I think something might have messed up in the "Consonant Phoneme's Table," on my computer, some of the rows are unlabled, and some of the font is much smaller than the rest. I don't know if that's a display issue on my end, or what, but it's worth looking into.

In the "Alphabet" section, do you mean that there were 28 and now 33 ALPHABETS, or that there were/are that many CHARACTERS in their alphabet?

All in all, there's a great amount of information here, it looks very researched, and your sources seem solid to me. Everything is very well cited.

Come inside
Come inside 2601:1C2:4F01:2390:9085:BE33:A7DB:D605 (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)