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Transportation Plaigarized?

Is that transportation section ripped off from somewhere, or did someone actually feel it necessary to include "A network of sidewalks and a network of dirt, gravel, and paved trails, greenways, connects neighborhoods and parks in Cary, though most walking is recreational or for exercise rather than commuting or shopping." There's nothing noteworthy about having a network of sidewalks and dirt trails connecting places--that's what defines a city. The only explanation I can think of is that it was typed verbatim from a book that includes a "walking" section on every city and a formula for the sentence. Mrcolj 18:59, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

We take our greenways very seriously here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.128.117 (talk) 06:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Flag

I just put the flag back after it had been removed some time ago, quite possibly by accident. If it needs to be removed again, please explain here.

"Wealthy neighborhood in exterior village Preston, Cary"

Is this really necessary for the first image describing Cary? Granted, Preston is a significantly wealthy region of Cary, but I think it's undoing to many who call Cary home to make the primary image of Cary a gazebo from Preston!. How about the crossroads in downtown Cary just past the train tracks? Cary is more than Preston, Nimur. We don't have to make a snide remark about Cary's wealth at every chance we get. 71.194.130.220 16:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, seems the same image is used below in the rural/developed comparison. It seems a good fit there, so another pict on top would seem best. Not that I have any... Baccyak4H (Yak!) 16:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I no longer live in Cary but while I did I hardly ever visited Preston, save when I played soccer at the Preston Soccer Park. There really is distinct difference between "West Cary" i.e. Preston and "East Cary" i.e Crossroads area down to 64... I'd say the line is somewhere around Harrison. Regardless, a gazebo in Preston doesn't say much about Cary. And it comes off as snide. 67.173.127.191 23:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The photo of the gazebo was certainly not intended to be a "snide remark," but I agree that an alternative photo is suitable. If anyone can obtain a good photograph of some other "distinctively Cary" setting, please contribute. Nimur 04:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Added some photographs that are distinctly Cary. The renovated Page-Walker Hotel for the history section. The Cary Town Hall for the government section. The Cary Chamber of Commerce for the business section. HeavenlyHedgehog

Sections to Ad

In reviewing top rated city pages, sections I noticed that Cary doesn't have were architecture, public art, murals, healthcare, religion, utilities, city scape, and neighborhoods. Are there other sections that are needed? Thoughts on these? I started working on architecture, as that was an easy overflow from my work on history. I also worked on public art but my additions were deleted because the artists weren't notable, use of city website, etc. I understand someone not digging a list, but a robust public art program is part of the arts and culture scene of a community, regardless of whether or not the makers are famous. Just like museums are part of the cultural scene even if they aren't world class. I can rework public art/murals as a paragraph about the history of the program and numbers of installations, etc. But before I do that or spend hours on another section only to have it completely cut, can we get some consensus of which of these are needed the most, if any. Thanks. Rublamb (talk) 11:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Changes in "Culture"

I am a Cary resident, have been my entire life. I eliminated the piece about the American flag because it was completely taken out of context. There was a fireworks vendor who had between 10 and 15 flags flying from his stand, and Cary limits the amount to 7. Ridiculous, yes, but the user who wrote that paragraph misunderstood the reasoning and characterized Cary incorrectly. Also, "The man has not yet fired the cannon." is useless as well. Deleted.

No it's not; those of us living in the free world may find it odd that anyone cares about some crazy guy with a cannon in his yard, unless of course he was actually firing it.12.150.117.30 17:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Sister city

Could we get an explanation for the whole sister city thing? 129.252.69.19 05:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Try either town twinning or Sister Cities International, Inc.. Dr. Cash 03:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Your request was more than a decade ago. Don't know if this was done, and then deleted, but I just added some content. Rublamb (talk) 04:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Cary Academy vs. Cary High

I think that it should be made clear that current day Cary high was formally known Cary academy. The current day Cary Academy is unrelated. I suggest that a change be made to the following part, although i am not sure how important it is. It currently gives no conection between Cary High and former Cary Academy. I myself am unsure as the relation but i know that there are Cary high artifacts in the main loddy of Cary High.

Cary Academy (no relation to the current school of the same name) is considered to be the first public high school in North Carolina, having opened in 1896.

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I have addressed this topic in the history section, with citations. FYI the original Cary Academy was a private boarding school. Rublamb (talk) 04:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Doritos Commercial

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed but one of the Doritos commercials featured during Superbowl XLI was filmed at Waverly Place in Cary. The first video here, I thought that would be a an interesting fact to put in, but if you don't want it in please explain why. Acidskater 01:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly I heard that Waverly Place is slated to be torn down. Apparently its design is "problematic" in that you can't get your car close enough to many of the stores, and thus has never been popular with retailers. Don't have a source for this though. Jpp42 10:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Waverly place has not been a successful shopping center for a long time (15+ years). The deign is too pedestrian friendly, and thus not as well suited for cars. The have also been problems deciding what sort of character the plaza should have, and what sort of stores should be in the plaza. Also, it doesn't help that there is a Wal-Mart across the street and a large mall that is less than ten minutes away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.167.247.60 (talk) 20:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Orphaned references in Cary, North Carolina

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Reference named "PopEstCBSA":

  • From Raleigh, North Carolina: "Annual Estimates of the Population of Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas: April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2008" (CSV). 2008 Population Estimates. United States Census Bureau, Population Division. July 1, 2009. Retrieved July 2, 2009.
  • From Morrisville, North Carolina: "Annual Estimates of the Population of Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas: April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2006 (CBSA-EST2006-01)" (CSV). 2006 Population Estimates. United States Census Bureau, Population Division. 2007-04-05. Retrieved 2007-04-05.

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Reverted edits

@Rublamb: Yesterday I removed this photo because it is not located in Cary. Why did you reinsert the image? Magnolia677 (talk) 14:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC) Magnolia677Honestly, did not realize I had added it twice. I gathered a bunch of photos and was gradually adding. I was using it to match the text. Someone prior to my working on the history section talked about the CCC in Umstead in the 1930s. According to the geography section, Crabtree Creek flows through Cary==s maybe the dam on Crabtree Creek impacted the Cary? But it look like you are right that the CCC section of Umstead is not in Cary. I will remove it from the history text too. And will also remove the second photo of the town hall as suggested. See, no problem! Just ask.

But, no reason to remove the image of the founder and first mayor of Cary. According to the section you sent me to, the image must "be significant and relevant in the topic's context." It does not say the person must be notable. And since Frank fits the bill of significant and notable, I will return him.Rublamb (talk) 18:30, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rublamb: How is someone whose name is mentioned once in the article--just his name--significant and relevant? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Magnolia677 Frank Page's name is mentioned more than 40 times in the Cary, NC article, including being on the list of Mayors in the Government section as the 1st mayor. If he were just listed once, I would totally agree with you. But, if you re-read the history section, I think you will see why he is important. If if helps, I will create a quick article on him==but I would rather not, as he is not of interest to me personally. Rublamb (talk) 19:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
@Rublamb: Indeed. Why did you revert my edit and re-add "Cary, North Carolina" to the caption of every photo? Why is it necessary to add "Cary, North Carolina" to every photo in an article about Cary, North Carolina? Magnolia677 (talk) 22:37, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
user:Magnolia677 Linking photos text is just a habit. Recently I have been working on bios where linking to the location is correct. I agree the photo links not needed here and thought to remove the links myself last night after adding, but something weird happened that I have never seen before: there was no code to link or bold in source editing, but the words were bolded in the visual editor and the link was there--and neither could be removed. Maybe this was a temporary glitch or something got stuck when we both were editing? Also, I am not sure what happened when, but I did not use reverse on any of your edits not did I intentionally change or replace something you had deleted or changed. I was not even aware you or anyone else was editing in the midst of my edits. I was just saving frequently because my rural internet can be spotty. If anything, I may have re-entered something when reviewing and proofing because I thought I had missed it. I sorry if it felt intentional, but it really wasn't. However I find it more than a little bit ironic that you are upset because you thought I had reversed your minor edits. Do you know how many times you have deleted major edits by myself and others? In fact, wasn't that what you yourself was doing last night with photos? Regardless, I think the good news is that some of the dated and unsourced content was either updated or removed jointly by three editors last night, vastly improving the Cary page. That is all that really matters, right?Rublamb (talk) 23:15, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
@Rublamb: You did it here, after I had removed them all. Obviously there must be a reason you re-added the city name to all the photos. I've never seen this on a city article, but perhaps you have a reason to have them there. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

[ping|Magnolia677]] The link you shared was for a revision, not a reversal. This topic has been fully explained in my post above. I see no benefit in re-asking a question that has already been answered, especially as this is a minor issue that did not impact the content of the article itself. I mean, it is not like anyone delete huge hunks of text representing hours of work without any discussion....Rublamb (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

1) I removed "Cary, North Carolina" from photos, because this article is about Cary, thus "by default" a reader can assume the photos are of things in Cary. It's ok to sometimes include the community name "Cary" in captions, but in general you shouldn't include it with every photo. The state name should never be included in captions, because it's not important, for the same reason that "United States" would be too much for the captions too. 2) I removed photographer names, because they are not notable people like Ansel Adams. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 03:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sbmeirow:Of course the place name isn't needed here and I appreciate it being fixed, bunches. But, if I included a credit with a photo, either to the photographer or an archive, it was because that is required for that license. You have to look at the requirements within WikiCommons. Some are free to use only with credit. It has nothing to do with fame as a photographer. So those, if deleted, need to be restored. Unless you know something I don't about copyright? Thanks.Rublamb (talk) 08:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Crabtree Creek Company Mill Trail, William B. Umstead State Park

There have been so many edits which is great, but I have lost track of who removed a photo I added to the Parks section yesterday

Crabtree Creek Company Mill Trail Umstead NC SP 0046 (3582930729)

. I selected two photos for this section to visually represent the range of parks in Cary--one is the manmade or built environment of the skate park, the other was the natural environment of Umstead Park. The trail featured is in Cary, accessed from the Reedy Creek entrance in Cary as described here by the state. [[1]]. Yes, we agreed above that the CCC Crabtree Creek project was in Raleigh, but Umstead is in both Cary and Raleigh, as is Crabtree Creek. So, unless you have a better photo to represent a natural park in Cary (maybe Hemlock?), please leave this image in place. This is not decorative, but informative as to the range of parks and the type of park. Thanks.Rublamb (talk) 03:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Only a tiny sliver (70 acres or about 1%) of Umstead is located in Cary, and there are no trails through that section. The parking lot off the Harrison Avenue entrance and the entirety of the Company Mill Trail are located within the Raleigh city limits. WildCowboy (talk) 04:49, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
WildCowboy Thanks for the local knowledge. Could not tell a thing from your map, but found one of Cary and one of the Park were clearer. I don't think Umstead is part of either City. Its website says it is surrounded by Cary and Raleigh. And, duh, it is a state park. I was relying on the a previous editor who added it to the parks list. And, I found the Cary address on the Umstead website, and also found that the town includes the history of Umstead in its documents, so thing seemed correct from an outside perspective. I will take down the photo. Do you think we should also remove Umstead from the list of parks, as it is not in Cary? And, if you are local, do you have another outdoor part image that would work? ThanksRublamb (talk) 09:21, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
@Rublamb: Part of the confusion is due to my edit summary here where I wrote "not located in Cary". I should have been more specific and said the photo location was not in Cary. Then 45 minutes later, you added it back. The next day I removed the photo again, with the edit summary "per talk". On the talk page above I had written, "Yesterday I removed this photo because it is not located in Cary". I thought it would have been obvious I was referring to the photo, which says right in the title of the photo that it is of "Umstead NC" and which has geocoordinates well outside Cary. You added it back a few hours later. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Magnolia677 Let's not go backwards on who did what when, etc. The photo description is cryptic at some level and I can understand your interpretation. However there is not an Umstead, NC so it can't have coordinates either in or out of Cary. This is a photo is from a folder of Umstead State Park. I think the tag line should have been "Umstead SP", instead of "Umstead NC SP." But it really doesn't matter as the issue of photo is resolved. The question at hand is does Umstead belong on the Cary page at all? The park says it is in Cary and the town includes it in many docs. But technically, it appears that it is not in Cary, but adjacent to Cary. And our local expert says some of the park is in Cary, some in Raleigh. This is like Asheville claiming the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Smokies, I guess. I don't care one way or the other, but it seems to me that if the photo is wrong, the including the park in the text is too. Of course, the airport is included and it is not in Cary either..... Rublamb (talk) 10:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
I have no issue including mentions of Umstead on Cary's page, as a portion of it is indeed within the town limits and one of its two main access points is from Cary. But yes, the vast majority of it is within Raleigh, not Cary. Not sure the difficulty with the map I posted, as it very clearly shows Umstead within the red Raleigh limits. Here's an interactive one where you can zoom in as much as you like and see nearly all of Umstead is shaded gray, meaning it's in Raleigh. The tiny sliver of lighter gray at the bottom southwest corner of the park along the north side of I-40 and east of the Harrison Avenue park entrance is what is in Cary. WildCowboy (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

WildCowboy Much better map of Raleigh. Here's the one for Cary, and the boundaries for the park do match. [[2]] Thanks for helping with this.Rublamb (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Notables

I added several notables, two which do not have a Wikipedia page. Despite having the required references, those two were removed by another user, which as I understand it, kicks them to Talk for discussion. So for consideration:

  • Reggie Barnes (Reginal Barnes Jr.) - former professional skateboarder, once ranked in top five worldwide for freestyle. Was a member of the original Pepsi skateboarding team. Film stunt performer including being the skateboard stunt double for Donatello in the 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' movie. Founder and owner of Eastern Skateboard Supply which is the largest skateboard wholesale supplier in the world. [1][2][3]
  • Anthony Reynolds - film and television actor, writer producer. According to IMBd, his biggest roles were in the films 'I Tonya' and 'Trial by Fire'. [4][5]

Any questions? Thoughts? Do these two qualify for the notable list or not? Rublamb (talk) 15:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ McLeod, Justin. "From riding to presiding: the story of boarding pioneer Barnes". The Seahawk. UNC Wilmington. Retrieved December 21, 2021.
  2. ^ "Reginald Barnes Jr". IMBd. IMBd.com Inc. Retrieved January 14, 2022.
  3. ^ Cotiaux, Neil. "Business of Life". WilmingtonBiz. Greater Wilmington Business Journal. Retrieved January 14, 2022.
  4. ^ "Anthony Reynolds". IMBd. IMBd.com Inc. Retrieved January 14, 2022.
  5. ^ Trogdon, Kathryn (August 19, 2015). "Cary High grad in 'Fantastic Four'". No. page A2. The News & Observer.
Notability has not been established for either individual. I would suggest creating an article to assure notability. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

{{User: Magnolia677]Keep meaning to update and close out this discussion. As you suggested, I created an article for Reggie Barnes (skateboarder). I found that Anthony Reynolds had a page, but it was deleted after discussion about whether his roles were significant or not. I don't want to enter that debate, so he will stay off the list. Thanks for the advice. Rublamb (talk) 09:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Fact Check help needed

WildCowboy and anyone else who had time to fact check: Need some other opinions. I think the current text has errors that resulted from editing. Was RTP founded 1960s? I thought 1959. Also, I can't find a Rex Hospital in Cary. Before the edit, the text it said primary care doctors which I do find. Thanks for your help.Rublamb (talk) 05:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rublamb: You added Rex Hospital. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Magnolia677 I added a list of the major physician/clinics as suggested by WP:USCITIES. You edited my list into Rex Hospital. As far as I can find, UNC Rex Hospital is in Raleigh. There is something called REX Healthcare of Cary that may be a considered a hospital as it offers surgery. Not sure, that is why I am asking a local. But either way, I don't believe there is something called Rex Hospital in Cary.Rublamb (talk) 12:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

WakeMed Cary is the only hospital in the town...Rex is indeed in Raleigh. And Research Triangle Park was founded in 1959, as stated in its article. WildCowboy (talk) 17:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
WildCowboy Thanks for the quick response. I had fixed RPT previously, but my change was reverse.Rublamb (talk) 03:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The source cited in that section says 1960, but most other sources say 1959, so this is likely an error made the source cited, and should be changed. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The original source used when this was written said 1959 (as does the sourced history section below). That original source is still listed. I suggest that the erroneous source should also be removed, especially as it is not a secondary source and comes from the City itself. I know we rely on the City a lot in this article (something I am working to correct), but in this instance there are four other sources listed which are all the preferred secondary source. Rublamb (talk) 16:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
That source is used to support other text. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Town versus City

Shouldn't the first paragraph use the term "town" instead of "city"? From their website | About Cary "Yet we've remained the Town of Cary while growing to more than 100,000 people." Throughout the official website, the municipality continues to refer to itself as a town. Jinxor (talk) 06:45, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

The purpose of the wikipedia article is to describe Cary to those unfamiliar with it. It is far better served calling it a city than a town. Looking at city, there is no universally accepted definition of a town vs a city but nearly the entire world puts the population number at 100k or less. When Cary was awarded as one of the safest in the nation, it was in the "large municipalities" division which strikes me as more of an acknowledgment of this as a city rather than a town. With a population of over 110k, it's really hard to call this a town. City vs. Town is defined state by state and NC is no help. North Carolina General Statutes § 160A-1 specifically says that the terms are interchangeable for its purposes. It can be argued that Cary's managers and elected officials continue to call it a town so Wikipedia should as well but we need to recognize that this is more for controlling Cary's image than accurately describing it..--RadioFan (talk) 02:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with the position that Cary should be referred to as a city in the article and therefore propose that it be changed back to "town". As has been acknowledged, there are no universally-accepted definitions to differentiate between cities and towns in the absence of official guidance at the state level, of which North Carolina provides none, calling "city", "town" and "village" interchangeable and at the municipality's discretion. There are some very large "towns" (Hempstead (town), New York with over 750,000 residents) and some very small "cities" (Woodland Mills, Tennessee with under 300 residents), and my opinion is that Wikipedia should refer to a city or town using the same terms used by the municipality itself. To me, ignoring a municipality's own usage and instead imposing a cutoff of 100,000 to differentiate between cities and towns is arbitrary and incorrect. Under that definition, literally 10,000 cities in the U.S. should be referred to as "towns" in their Wikipedia entries. As a suburb of Raleigh, Cary "feels" much more like a town than a city, although there are of course plenty of suburban municipalities around the country that are officially referred to as cities. I'll wait about a week for any input from interested parties, but in the absence of any further discussion, I will change it back to "town". WildCowboy (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Removal of CARY backronym explanation

I have never lived in Cary, though I lived somewhat near Cary for a few years, and before, during and after, I have from time to time come across the CARY backronym story in media such as A Prairie Home Companion and National Geographic. It is encyclopedic, and it is illustrative of one of Cary's cultural puzzles. Leave it in; "encyclopedic" does not equal "dry and boring". --TreyHarris 18:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Safety ranking

Is it just me, or is the phrase "It is the only North Carolina municipality listed in the top 10 as well as the only southern city in the top 25" redundant/ill-phrased? If Cary is the only Southern city in the top 25, then it is also the only Southern city in the top 10, and by extension it follows that it's the only North Carolina city in the top 10.

Safest Cities Survey

I disagree with the inclusion of Cary being the 8th safest city as advertising. If you will notice, other cities on the list, like Brick, NJ, Irvine, California and others, include it on there pages. Even Charlotte, NC, listed 8th most dangerous, has its' ranking listed. To me, it seems a worth while thing to add and encyclopedic. - OPaul 06:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

My objection was based on two things: 1) The information was unsourced; 2) it read like advertising, not like an encyclopedial entry. For example, the older 2004 citation is sourced and is, should I say, more declarative. Perhaps update that to reflect 2006 rather than 2004. Actually, that would improve the article by simply making it current. Baccyak4H 14:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Update: I tried to look up an archived page to update 2004 -> 2006 safety survey info, but there was no ref to it. Baccyak4H 16:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Farmington Woods

The article claims that the planned urban development (PUD) of Farmington Woods was named after Farmington, MA, where a similar development was successful earlier. Unfortunately, there is no Farmington in Massachusetts (although Maine has one, a tiny village). It is likely that the developer made the common mistake of misremembering the name of Framingham, Massachusetts. Perhaps someone would like to contact Thomas F. Adams, Jr., the developer, and report on the actual circumstances behind the name. Snezzy 16:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

This seems to have been removed now. --Andrew from NC (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2021

Add Nicholas Griffo to notable people 98.113.63.43 (talk) 04:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Person is not notable enough to be listed on here, see Wikipedia:Notability. 54nd60x (talk) 07:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Decorative image

User:Rublamb has added this decorative image to the article. A consensus of editors at MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE have agreed that "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative". A relevant image of this festival would show the festival; the people, the venue, a backdrop of the city. Instead, this is a photo of the lanterns, which shows nothing of Cary or the people attending the festival. This image is decorative and should be removed from the article. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Magnolia677 I did not select this photo to be decorative, but as a visual explanation and/or description of the event. The text describes the NC Chinese Lantern Festival as having many Chinese lanterns. To most people, that means those pumpkin-shaped orange/red lanterns. The text could go into a great detail about how these are themed installations, including larger than life real and fantasy animals, abstract shapes making experiential "buildings" to walk through, etc. All made in a variety of vibrant colors and lit with LED lights. But this type of description would not be in keeping with the section and how it is written. I felt more detail would help since, according to sources, more than 100,000 people attended--equal to more than half the population of Cary. As to my photo selection, this is an outdoor, nighttime event. The area in darkened for the festival. Any people in the photos would be mostly black blurs in these published professional photos [[3]] However, if you click to enlarge the image that I selected, you will see that there are actually buildings in the background. I believe that this photo captures the vibrancy, creativity, and visitor experience of the event, based on what I have read and seen in sources. In short, this photo is a good representation of the Festival and visually describes the festival, based on the sources I have reviewed. It also is a copywrite free image, allowed to be used in Wikipedia. Rublamb (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Ph.D.s per capita?

"Cary was listed in Money Magazine as one of the best places to live in the United States [3]. In addition to the low crime rate and close proximity to the Research Triangle and many local universities, Cary can also boast having the most Ph.D.s per capita in the U.S. for towns larger than 75,000 people."

I don't have time to do a lot of research, but from what I've heard from my professor, who lives in Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill has the most Ph.D.s per capita for cities larger than 75,000 in the US. I am not sure, I get more results from google for { "Ph.D.s per capita" "Chapel Hill"} than for { "Ph.D.s per capita" "Cary" }. I suspect they are both close to being number one.

  • Chapel Hill doesn't have 75,000 residents. -Jcbarr 11:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Can anyone provide a cite for this? This is a boast that I found several other cities making online as well.BCAttwood 13:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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