Talk:Catholic Church in Norway

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The Roman Catholic faith survived in remote parts of the Kingdom until approximately 1700.

This sounds a bit far-fetched to me. A great many traditions from the Catholic middle ages did survive well into the 18th c., but this doesn´t mean that people in remote parts of Norway were practicing Catholics. On the contrary, they fully participated in all the rites of the Lutheran church.

Several data in this article is out of date. I will replace some of the amounts with newer data, like the population percentage and amount of Catholics.

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Roman Catholicism in Norway → Catholic Church in Norway – In consistancy with other equivalent articles, including Catholic Church, Catholic Church in England and Wales, Catholic Church in the United States, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:13, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep Why should this be different from the 163 other articles in the Category:Roman Catholic Church by country? Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:07, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


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Misleading
The present catholic church in Norway did not originate in the middle ages in Norway. The first catholic church in Norway was converted into the Lutheran church. For more than 300 years there was no catholic church in Norway. There is no continuity. The present catholic church has a different origin. --— Erik Jr. 22:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The article provides detailed information about this issue. I think there is no misleading.Blanche of King&#39;s Lynn (talk) 21:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

The Lutheran Reformation in Norway lasted from 1526 to 1537. Catholic Church property and the personal property of Catholic priests were confiscated by the Crown. Catholic priests were exiled and imprisoned unless they submitted to conversion to the Danish king's faith. Bishop Jon Arason of Holar, executed in 1550, was the last Catholic bishop of Iceland (until the establishment of the Diocese of Reykjavik in 1923). The Bishop of Hamar from 1513–37, Mogens Lauritssøn, was imprisoned until his death in 1542.

Many traditions from the Catholic Middle Ages continued for centuries more. In the late 18th century and into the 19th century, a strict and puritan interpretation of the Lutheran faith, inspired by the preacher Hans Nielsen Hauge, spread through Norway, and popular religious practices turned more purely Lutheran. The Catholic Church per se, however, was not allowed to operate in Norway between 1537 and 1843, and throughout most of this period, Catholic priests faced execution. In 1582, the scattered Catholics in Norway and elsewhere in Northern Europe were placed under the jurisdiction of a papal nuncio in Cologne, however, with threatening punishment Catholic pastoring could not materialise. In the late 16th century, a few incidents of crypto-Catholicism occurred within the Lutheran Church of Norway. However, these were isolated incidents.

The Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith, on its establishment in 1622, took charge of the vast Northern European missionary field, which – at its third session – it divided among the nuncio of Brussels (for the Catholics in Denmark and Norway), the nuncio at Cologne (much of Northern Germany) and the nuncio to Poland (Finland, Mecklenburg, and Sweden).

In 1688, Norway became part of the Apostolic Vicariate of the Nordic Missions. The Paderborn bishops functioned as administrators of the apostolic vicariate. Christiania (Oslo) had an illegal but tolerated Catholic congregation in the 1790s. In 1834, the Catholic missions in Norway became part of the Apostolic Vicariate of Sweden, seated in the Swedish capital of Stockholm. In 1843, the Norwegian Parliament passed a religious tolerance act providing for limited religious freedom and allowing for legal non-Lutheran public religious services for the first time since the Reformation.


 * Clearly, there is very little actual continuity between the Medieval Norwegian Catholic Church and the one existing in Norway today. To be a Catholic in Norway between the 16th and 18th Century, one needed to be a very courageous and rather fanatic character, the stuff of which martyrs are made. Still, from what I know of how the Catholic Church and how they reckon things, if during these centuries there remained one Priest in Oslo holding secret Mass in a crypt to a congregation of ten or twenty, Catholics would consider that it is still the same Church as the Medieval one and that it had been driven deeply underground and then emerged after hundreds of years of persecution. And in an article about the Catholic Church I think it is reasonable to take the Catholic point of view into account. Blanche of King&#39;s Lynn (talk) 22:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC).

Membership inflation fraud conviction 2010–2014 period
All membership figures after 2009 need to be reviewed because of the membership inflation fraud conviction for the 2010–2014 period. I've sent an email to Statistics Norway to ask them to review their statistics, because apart from 2015, the membership inflation fraud appears not to have been corrected yet. It's possible that nobody yet knows what the actual membership figures were or are, and that this investigation is still in progress, so until that time the factual accuracy remains in dispute. NRK stated in March 2019 that the Oslo Catholic Diocese was still considering another appeal, now to the Supreme Court, so it seems that they are not yet willing to revise the membership numbers themselves. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)