Talk:Cattle chute

Forcing pen
See forcing pen photo at Pen enclosure, sometimes the self locking gate uses rubber as a stopper instead of the ratchets. Cgoodwin (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, I know the kind you mean. That's much clearer.  I've edited it for tone (from like an instruction manual: "it should be operable", "can be achieved", to more impersonal: "is operable", "is achieved").  I've also removed some repetition and tried to make it fit better with the previous para.  --Richard New Forest (talk) 09:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Combined articles
I feel that the present format of having separate articles on pen (yards) crushes and races would have been better combined. What are your thoughts? Cgoodwin (talk) 07:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it depends on how long each article becomes. If they were to stay much as they are, they'd be short articles, and a combined one would not be too long.  However if they expanded much, a combined article would be cumbersome and we'd be wanting to split it.  I'm not sure.  There are plenty of less-complex subjects with much longer articles, but perhaps there is a limited amount you can say about stock handling.  I think my inclination at the moment is to keep them separate.


 * Having said that (and despite having been the one to start it), I can't think of a good reason why Cattle race should be separate from pig race, sheep race or indeed llama race. Perhaps it should be "Race (livestock)"? No, that sounds like "breed".  "Livestock handling race"? --Richard New Forest (talk) 09:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I am unsure about other livestock races as the deer ones are very different, don't know anything about llamas, little about pigs and far too much about sheep! Cattle races usually lead to another use area ie. crush or ramp etc.

Below I have included some preferred changes: "The entrance is from a funnel-shaped or semi-circular forcing pen or forcing yard, where gates (may be used) to crowd the animals into the race".

In my experience with cattle (and sheep) it is necessary to have a force pen to get the stock to enter a narrow race. Not many force pens in Australasia have the semi-circular pen with a force gate, unfortunately. In many places in the bush they do not even have sliding gates anywhere in the yards. Cgoodwin (talk) 10:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

How about Race (chute)? No, that's too easy to confuse with flume. How about Livestock race (chute)? --Una Smith (talk) 04:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Runway
I haven't heard a livestock chute called a runway. --Una Smith (talk) 03:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Chute is more common.  Montanabw (talk) 04:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have done another search of international cattle equipment and it seems that "alley" is the common term used in the US for a race. I did not see runway mentioned. Their "chutes" can be a crush (usually), a loading ramp (chute); a horse stock chute, rough riding chute and the one that I liked a "roping chute horse saver". Our top style force pen or yard is a "crowd tub"; and a table calf cradle is an US calf table which does make sense. The UK does not have the same amount of gear and it is named similar to ANZ. No wonder we are all confused. Cgoodwin (talk) 04:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have heard alley. I think it is most common in the southern US. (Southern here does not include the southwestern US, which has a separate colonial history very much tied to cattle.)  Anyway, I think we can strike "runway". Thank you for your research, Cgoodwin. --Una Smith (talk) 05:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hold on ... does "chute is more common" mean runway does occur? --Una Smith (talk) 05:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In US talk a chute is a crush or the other chutes that I mentioned, and it is NOT a race or alley according to the US equipment providers. I can supply additional URLs to the two that were supplied if needed. I did not see runway listed in relation to the equipment listed. Hope this helps. Cgoodwin (talk) 05:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * URLs supplied where? --Una Smith (talk) 19:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

In the references section.Cgoodwin (talk) 01:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. I see.  I think "chute" will require disambiguation. --Una Smith (talk) 02:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Temple Grandin is a prominent American author on livestock handling systems. The lead paragraph of this article uses "chute" and "race" interchangeably. --Una Smith (talk) 02:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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