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Kurdish origin
Please stop removing this fact. He clearly stated out that he is of kurdish origin. And this kind of information is essential for the lead section (Manual of Style/Lead section).--Moplayer (talk) 17:05, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, you're wrong about this dude. "Kurdish" is not a nationality since there is no such independent country named Kurdistan in the world. The fact that Fereydoon Derakhshani changed his name into Caucher Birkar (meaning mathematician refugee) does not mean that his nationality is Kurdish. His background is detailed in the relevant section named "Early life and education". Is there written jewish German in the Albert Einstein's article ? no. is there written jewish Alsatian mathematician in the Laurent Schwartz's article ? no. there is not a single reason to add Birkar's ethnicity in the lead, except if you have a nationalist agenda ...---Wikaviani (talk) 22:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

He is a Kurd and this fact has to be written in lead section as WP advises us to do so. Furthermore, 'Kurdish' is not a religion. Did you even watch his video from the ICM 2018? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPTEkNZ4XCk Please watch it and then come here back again.--Moplayer (talk) 08:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * A youtube video is not a reliable source. He is an Iranian citizen with Kurdish ethnicity. And fyi, Kurds are one of the Iranian peoples. I would suggest you to read the article about Iranian peoples.---Wikaviani (talk) 18:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hold your horses. Any youtube video is not a reliable source, but it is in this case.
 * Let me quote: "The term "published" is most commonly associated with text materials, either in traditional printed format or online. However, audio, video, and multimedia materials that have been recorded then broadcast, distributed, or archived by a reputable party may also meet the necessary criteria to be considered reliable sources."
 * The video in question is made by the Simons Foundation in collaboration with the International Mathematical Union, you can check this fact here:
 * "IMU Award Videos"
 * It is published in Youtube in order to maximise its publicity and it is definitely a reliable source, as explained above. I think that labeling 'Iranian' someone who has left Iran as a refugee to never come back and who holds no Iranian passport but a British one and who calls himself Kurdish is at the very least misleading, and most likely gross misrepresentation.
 * Please, explain if your problem is not the source, what is. Askateth (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, yes, it can be. That's an interview with Caucher himself. Where that interview uploaded is completely irrelevant - see reliable source. But ofcourse we can brings this up to the reliable sources noticeboard if you disagree Openlydialectic (talk) 20:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Here are some other sources: Do you need more, Wikaviani?--Moplayer (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "a former refugee of Kurdish Iranian origin", The New York Times
 * "Caucher Birkar, a Kurd, came to the UK as a refugee from Iran", BBC
 * "A Kurdish man who came to Britain as a refugee", The Guardian
 * "Fields Medal stolen from Kurdish mathematician in Rio", Reuters

, Well, is my English so poor ? or you just don't understand what i say ? When have i said that Caucher Birkar is not an ethnic Kurd ? I said that "Kurd" is not his nationality and since no other Fields medalist has his ethnicity in the lead, then we should remove it from the lead. we have reliale sources saying that Akshay Venkatesh is an ethnic Indian :, but this is not in his article's lead. We have reliable sources stating that Manjul Bhargava is an ethnic Indian :, but this is not in his article's lead either. Do i need to continue ? There is no other Fields medalist who has his ethnicity in the lead, why should it be otherwise for caucher Birkar ? His Kurdish ethnicity is an undeniable fact and should be dealt with in a relevant section, like "Biography" or "early life and education", for examples.---Wikaviani (talk) 22:35, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And there is no other Fields medalist who has talked about his/her ethnicity so heavily in his/her nomination video for the ICM. Get rid of your POV and accept that he is Kurdish and this is important for the lead section as many users already have told you.--Moplayer (talk) 10:27, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should try to discuss calmly with other users. I completed the RfC to make it clear that the question is ethnicity in the lead or not. BTW, another user said below that he was not supporting ths inclusion in the lead, but wanted to replace "nationality" with "citizenship". Second, you should take a look at my editing history, instead of attacking me with my "POV". I just want to find a consensus about this issue. Let the RfC conclude about this and if there is a consensus about "Kurdish-Iranian", then it's perfectly fine for me.---Wikaviani (talk) 12:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Quite amusing that a user like you, with a strong bias on this topic, allows himself to give me lessons about "POV" :. especially edits like this, this, this or this show your blatant bias when it comes to Kurds and Iranians and your denial of facts when you don't like them. WP:WAR, WP:TENDENTIOUS, WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, etc ...---Wikaviani (talk) 12:36, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Proxy editing by sleepers, socks and meatpuppets
As soon as Birkar was put in the spotlights, a large amount of newly created accounts, as well as accounts that had not edited for years/months (WP:SLEEPER), became active in order to push a pro-Kurdish POV; Seems to be a WP:SPA that has a large amount of WP:TENDENTIOUS edits on his curriculum, per the evidence given by Wikaviani (above).
 * Sleeper. Last edit prior to this page dates back to December 2017.
 * Sleeper. Last edit prior to this page dates back to July 2017.
 * New account. Two edits in total, both on this article, uses WP:PERSONAL in order to reach his goal.
 * New account. Two edits in total, both on this article. Reinstated edits by IP 176.11.30.97 using the same edit summary.

Leaving this here for admins. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:37, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, i understand better now. These trolls are trying to impose their biased POV. Might see if an admin could take a look at this. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) 17:44, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Since I am mentioned by and implicitely called a 'troll' by, allow me to answer. I do not contribute much to Wikipedia, mainly because I think others do a better job and I am usually adamant of making matters worse. I would not call myself as someone with a 'pro-Kurdish POV'. I do not know Kurdistan well enough to have a POV (Birkar is probably the only self-identified Kurd I know). Although I have not checked it myself, I would challenge anyone to find whether I have edited a Wikipedia article regarding Kurdistan or the Kurdish people before. However, I am a birational geometer and as a result I do know Birkar's work and life well enough to know what his nationality and citizenship are. Viewing how they have been misrepresented in his article, I bothered to log-in and give some information on the subject that would actually improve the article. Is this a bad thing?


 * Regarding the websites claiming that he is 'Iranian' (most of them just say born in Iran, anyway): these websites just copy-paste the same sources and I would not take them as an authorised source. Recall that when Mirzakhani won the Fields Medal the Iranian government made a public statement. No such a statement has been made by the Iranian government this time. Askateth (talk) 14:45, 10 August 2018 (UTC)


 * To make it short, when sources claim something you agree with, they are reliables, otherwise they're not huh ? Thank you very much for confirming your WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT mentality in public. The RfC seems to conclude on "Kurdish-Iranian", so be it.---Wikaviani (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This is getting ridiculous. Of the sources you have quoted above, none of them claim that he holds an Iranian passport or Iranian citizenship. This is not a matter of me questioning your sources, but questioning what your sources say. If he holds no Iranian citizenship, he should not be called 'Iranian' without further explanation. Please, compare it with the entry for Grothendieck, a Fields medallist born in Germany, fled as a refugee to France, and whose nationality is depicted as 'none' and 'French' in the summary box inside the article for Alexander Grothendieck. The article emphasises he received education in Iran, if that is your concern. I think I have made my point clear. In order not to clutter the talk section and bother other people and keep the discussion constructive, should you discuss this further, or accuse me (further) of violating policy, I would suggest we take this to our discussion pages. Askateth (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Won't waste my time anymore discussing with you what is obvious for any editor who is here to build an encyclopedia. In the lead, due to the RfC, he has to be described as "Kurdish-Iranian" but in the infobox, his nationality is Iranian (along with British). As to what the sources say, let's take a look at it. First source (Press TV) : "Caucher Birkar has become the second Iranian, after the late Maryam Mirzakhani, to win the Fields Medal". Second source (20 minutes, a French paper) : "Médaille Fields: Un Iranien, un Italien, un Allemand et un Indo-Australien ont obtenu la prestigieuse récompense". Third source (Euronews) : "Cambridge professor Caucher Birkar was awarded the most honourable prize in mathematics--the Fields Medal--becoming the second Iranian to ever be awarded the prize.". 3 sources in 2 languages (English and French) describing Birkar as an Iranian, this is enough to describe him as Iranian in the article (i.e exactly what the sources say ...). The fact that you disagree with this is nothing but WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT and WP:TENDENTIOUS in my eyes. Think we're done here. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  16:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Funny. I am definitely not a sleeper. I am more active on the German WP. And if you look closer to my contributions, you can see that I am active on the English WP since 2014. If you don't believe me, go ahead and submit a CU request. By the way, did you read all the sources and watch the video of Birkar? Do you have something to say about this?--Moplayer (talk) 21:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * your sources just say that Birkar is an ethnic Kurd, nobody denies this fact (unlike you, i don't deny obvious facts). We have numerous sources stating that he is an Iranian citizen :, , . Therefore, the fact that he is an Iranian will clearly remain in the article. the only debate here, is : what should we write between "British-Iranian" and "Kurdish-Iranian" in the lead, nothing less, nothing more.---Wikaviani (talk) 01:12, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "Kurdish-Iranian" is wrong term since there is no such independent country named Kurdistan. It's more common to use the term "Iranian Kurdish" for Iranian Kurds. Please, Look at Bahman Ghobadi's page as an example.SadioDaleone (talk) 19:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


 * "Comment' Either file a SPI or find something more productive to do than cast aspersions using the safety of vague language and connections. I'm no great sock detector, but I've caught enough to know that the above "evidence" (for moplayer and Askateth) is circumstantial at best and nonextistent at least. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  17:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

RfC about Caucher Birkar's nationality in the lead
While we don't give ethnicities of other scholars when their nationality is known, should we say "Kurdish-Iranian" (Kurdish is not a nationality, it's an ethnicity) or "British-Iranian" about this mathematician in the lead ? (his ethnic background is given in the relevant "early life and education" section). Please note that the question is : should we include his ethnicity in the lead or in the body of the article ?---Wikaviani (talk) 02:10, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I just wanna say that I don't really have a stake in the discussion here, but I feel it would be wrong to call him Iranian-British. He is a Kurd who was born in Iran and lived there before finally getting a chance to flee the country to the UK to get a political asylum. Calling him a UK-based Iranian Kurd is probably the best designation since it both mentions his nationality (Iranian Kurd) and the location where he lives and works (the UK which granted him the asylum; I am not sure whether he holds a UK citizenship, but if he does then we can discuss calling him a British Kurd. I don't understand why he should be called a British Iranian (emphasis added) at all Openlydialectic (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The Guardian: "Former refugee among winners of Fields medal – the 'Nobel prize for maths'"..."After a year, he was granted refugee status, became a British citizen and began a PhD." I would say, he is a British Kurd.--Moplayer (talk) 21:40, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Maybe i was not clear enough, here is a list of the Fields medalists, as far as i see, none of them has his ethnicity given in the lead. why should we give Caucher's Birkar's ethnicity in the lead ? More, Kurds are one of the Iranian peoples (ethno-linguisticaly), therefore being a Kurd means being an Iranian. I quote from the Iranian peoples' article : "Modern Iranian peoples include the Baloch, Gilaks, Kurds, Lurs, Mazanderanis, Ossetians, Pashtuns, Pamiris, Persians, Tajiks, the Talysh, Tati, Wakhis and Yaghnobis."---Wikaviani (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a perfect example among that list: [Alexander Grothendieck]. Born in German (and hence born German). Fled to France as a refugee, his nationality appears as 'none' (for he was stateless, at least for a long time in his life), and then France. If we follow the same pattern, we should write 'none' and 'British', but definitely not Iranian. Askateth (talk) 15:24, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * a Kurdish refugee from Iran - After a quick review of sources, multiple sources use "a Kurdish refugee from Iran". This seems like a reasonable descriptor to me. As a sidenote, I can't find any reference for how Birkar self-identifies, which is what I usually look to as the primary method of determining nationality. NickCT (talk) 16:47, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Iranian born British with dual citizenship. We should follow standard practice and refer to him in the opening para by his British and Iranian citizenship - at present the British is not covered at all. If his ethnicity is a notable aspect or part of his reason for becoming British, we can use "Kurdish refugee from Iran" in a second lead para, briefly relating the narrative, but trying to cram the whole narrative of his nationality and ethnicity into the opening sentence is just going to make the reading confusing and "upstage" his achievements as a mathematician - which is why he has an article at all. Unless he has renounced his Iranian citizenship, or been stripped of it, he is still Iranian. If his Kurdishness has not been significantly covered, or embraced by him, it should not be in the lead at all. Pincrete (talk) 12:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "It’s not easy to be a Kurd." This is the first sentence he said in his nomination video for the International Congress of Mathematicians, which honored him with the Fields Medal. And he hits the nail right on the head, if you consider what we are discussing about for some weeks.--Moplayer (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * re "follow standard practice" - I love when people say stuff like that. Who's standard practice? Yours? NickCT (talk) 13:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you to check other Fields medalists, none of them has his "ethnicity" in the lead/infobox of their article, only his citizenship. If you can prove that "Kurdish" is a citizenship, then it's ok to write "Kurdish" for his nationality. I think this is what the other contributor calls "standard practice" and i fully agree with him. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  14:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So it's your standard practice too, huh? Seriously, what playbook are guys working off of. Is there any policy that supports your argument, or are you making it up as you go along?
 * re "check other Fields medalists" - Can you point to another Fields medalist who is a refugee or recent immigrant as Brikar is? NickCT (talk) 14:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * First, please focus on content, not users. second, we have other immgrants earning a Fields medal, like Maryam Mirzakhani. Strangely, nobody was talking about her being a Persian, a Lur, a Kurdish or any other ethnicity. She is listed as Iranian in her article. The problem is that when you use the word "nationality" about someone, you primarily refer to his citizenship, not his ethnicity, i don't think we need any policy to support this, a dictionary should suffice : . ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  15:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm focusing on policy, not users. Policy which you were apparently making making up.
 * "Kurd" in English, is used to mean either "a person from the Kurdish regions of Turkey, Iraq, Syria or Iran" or "a person of Kurdish ethnicity". Technically, there's a little ambiguity as those two definitions may not mean the same thing. Some sources clear up that ambiguity by using the term "ethnic Kurd" (e.g., , ). Thus, "Kurd" is both an ethnicity and a pseudo-nationality (i.e. in the same sense that "Puerto Rican", Quebecer, Walloon or Scot might be a pseudo-nationality). There are lots of cases where we use pseudo-nationalities in BLPs. We refer to Palestinian refugees for example as Palestinian refugees, not as "Israeli's living in Jordan". NickCT (talk) 11:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not making a making up of policies, if i did, i would not have opened this RfC. However i agree with half of what you said just above, "Kurd" is an ethnicity but i don't know what "pseudo-nationality" is. Thus, when we say "Palestinian", we don't refer to a nationality but to an ethnicity, i.e someone speaking Palestinian Arabic, this has nothing to do with a supposed "pseudo-nationality"... ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  13:29, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm..... I don't think many people think of Palestinian as a distinct ethnicity. I mean, the so-called "region of Palestine" contains peoples of many different distinct ethnicities, right? Plus there are places that used to be in what was once considered Palestine, but is generally not consider Palestine now. For instance, I don't think many Jordanians would think of themselves as "Palestinian" though I guess at one time they were.
 * Regardless, these conversations are a little philosophical. What we should do is follow the subject's description of themselves or RS's description of them. At the moment a Kurdish refugee from Iran seems like the most common descriptor I can find. NickCT (talk) 02:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * This is the point, you say "I don't think this people would think themselves as Palestinian", but we don't really care about what people think they are, the key point is what they really/officially are. I mean if an Algerian thinks of himself as being French, because decades ago Algeria was a French colony, this does not makes him really French, right ? and if he claims a French passport or ID, this will be denied by French authorities. The fact that in Palestine, there are different peoples does not contradict what i'm saying, actually, "Palestinian" is not a nationaliyu/citizenship, it's an ethnicity. However, it seems that we're getting closer and closer to a consensus, i agree with the "Kurdish-Iranian" in the lead, but in the infobox, where his nationality is given, writing "Kurdish-XXX" would be a nonsense since again, the first meaning of "nationality" is in fact citizenship. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  02:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ha! But that is the point. You say the "key point is what they really/officially are". There is no "real" or "official" when it comes to ethnicity or nationality. Those things are qualitative and subjective. Not quantitative and objective. If there was some yard stick by which we could measure "Irian-ness" then you and I wouldn't be having this conversation. We'd just refer to the yardstick.
 * re "Algeria was a French colony," - Exactly! A person in colonial Algeria probably would say "I am Algerian". He might possibly also say "I am French" (as a side-note, I'm actually friends with some Pied-Noir who would call themselves French). Unfortunately, there is no "official" measure for deciding whether the person is actually Algerian or actually French. The best thing to do is either 1) let the person define what they are, or 2) just follow the sources.
 * So it sounds like the only debate is about the Infobox now. I think I agree with L3X1. In the infobox, when in doubt, leave it out. NickCT (talk) 04:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So we have a "deal" for the lead. But i obviously disagree with what you say about nationality and by the way, there is no doubt about the nationality of this man (at least for his Iranian citizenship), therefore, in the infobox, i think we just should write what his passport(s) state(s), nothing less, nothing more. However, since i don't own Wikipedia, if there is a consensus to leave it out, then it's fine for me. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  04:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. I'm still a little surprised by your "what his passport states" rationale. Surely you'd accept there are a lot of places we don't look to peoples passports. For instance, a person who calls themselves Palestinian but holds an Israeli passport, we should probably call "Palestinian" not an "Israeli". A Scot who holds a British passport we should call "a Scot" not "a Brit". NickCT (talk) 12:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't pretend to summarize the identity of a person in his passport of course, i know that a Scott would refer to himself as Scott and not British, a Palestinian as Palestinian and not Israeli, and many other peoples also may consider themselves as belonging to some ethnies and not to their nationality but i would say that this is part of their personal opinions and focusing exclusively on people's personal opinions would be an endless mess. At some point, when it comes to one's citizenship, the passport is the only thing that matters. Otherwise, we should write that Laurent Schwartz was an Alsatian-French mathematician, Georges Pompidou who loved his home region, an Auvergnat-French president, or Charles Michel a Walloon-Belgian prime minister. Quite messy, right ? As a last word i would like to thank you for this constructive discussion. Take care dude. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  14:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * re "focusing exclusively on people's personal opinions would be an endless mess" - Well I appreciate that opinion and I used to think like that. I eventually realized is that when talking about qualitative and subjective questions (e.g. Is the Mona Lisa beautiful), opinions sorta do matter. And the real question is that if I don't get to decide whether I'm American or Scottish or Israeli or whatever, who does? Anyways..... Have a nice day. NickCT (talk) 15:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Personal opinions are very important in real life, but not for us here on Wikipedia. Also,, when you say who decides if you are American, Israeli or wathever, i would say it's you of course, but on one condition : you have to do the right things for that. Example, Birkar is Iranian born, but he decides to become British. He has to learn English, to live in the UK, to learn this country's history, ask for British citizenship, etc .. and then one can legitimately pretend that Birkar is British. I'm Iranian, if i go around and claim that i'm Chinese while i don't speak Chinese, don't know anything about this country, etc ... this does not really make sense. Had Birkar emigrated in Mexico, learned Spanish and assimilated in this country's culture, etc ... he could legitimately pretend to be Mexican. Have a nice day too. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  16:27, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think our POV's are pretty close here, but I think you're contradicting yourself slightly by saying "the key point is what they really/officially are", but then also saying "i would say it's you of course". You have to decide whether you think nationality is an objective, "official" or "real" fact, or you think nationality is subjective and qualitative where peoples own opinions of it matter. NickCT (talk) 00:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no contradiction according to me. It's up to people to decide what they want to be, however they don't instantly become what they want. For example, today, it's quite undisputed that Birkar is Iranian and British (he spent around 30 years in Iran, is living in the UK for 10 years, speaks Persian and English and owns Iranian and British citizenships). Let's suppose that tomorrow he decides to become Mexican. Nobody will say tomorrow that Caucher is Mexican right ? but since he has decided to become Mexican, he can emigrate to this country, learn Spanish, get Mexican citizenship and in a few years, he will be Mexican (and also Iranian and British). Therefore, it's mainly your call to belong to a country, but you have to do what it takes to make it real. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  01:45, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Can you give us a trustful source, which clearly proves his Iranian citizenship? The Guardian says "After a year, he was granted refugee status, became a British citizen and began a PhD.", but there is nothing mentioned about a dual citizenship in this article. Even the ICM says "Fields Medal winner, Kurd and British citizen with refugee status, Caucher Birkar[... ]".--Moplayer (talk) 17:57, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Come on man, am i mistaken or you keep denying Birkar's Iranian nationality ? this source says "But for Birkar, an Iranian Kurd who won political asylum and citizenship in Britain, minus one plus one equals gold again.". this one says "Iran's Caucher Birkar, 40, of Kurdish background, had his Fields Medal stolen" and later "After one year, he was granted the status of refugee and became a British citizen.". this one says "Birkar is an Iranian refugee who has been living in the UK for over a decade.". this one says "Second Iranian wins prestigious Fields Medal"... Need more ? i have many other sources in English, Persian and French. Please be serious. The consensus seems to be "Kurdish-Iranian" in the lead and as to his nationality, "British-Iranian" or we just leave his nationality out of the infobox. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  21:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Think I agree with Viani on this point. There are a bunch of articles saying he's "from Iran". If someone wants to contend he's not a citizen of Iran, the onus is probably on them to prove that. NickCT (talk) 00:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Exclude per L3X1.comment in extended discussion. If he is a citizen of Britain and has been living in the UK for over a decade, and is commonly described as such in WP:RS like those cited above, I think it is a bit arbitrary to decide to leave it out and only mention his "ethnicity". (Especially as he also appears to be a citizen of Iran per NickCT). I have to agree with L3X1. Does he identify as an Iranian Kurd or a British Kurd? When in doubt leave it out. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 04:37, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, not sure to understand what you mean . If i get you, your proposal is to remove "Kurdish-Iranian" from the lead and just write "British-Iranian" in the infobox ? ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  04:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Ambiguity of "nationality"
In English "nationality" could mean either "citizenship" or "ethnicity". In Wikipedia it usually means "citizenship". I suggest to put in the lead the word "Citizenship" rather than "Nationality". F.e. see Nikola Tesla

Kot Obormot (talk) 10:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I would agree with your proposal, however, all other Fields medalists have their nationality given in their articles' lead, but their ethnicity is never given in the lead.---Wikaviani (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I do not advocate to put ethnicity in the lead, just to replace "Nationality" by "Citizenship".

Kot Obormot (talk) 22:47, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your opinion, but this RfC is about including the ethnicity in the lead or not. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) 22:52, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Kurdish-Iranian and let people figure it out, or Exclude per When In Doubt Leave It Out. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  13:47, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If you were talking to me, then please note that here is no doubt about his nationality. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  14:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 6 August 2018
Correct the age: 40. Plus you can add in Further Reading a link to Nomination of Caucher Birkar for the Fields Medal, by Ivan Fesenko, September 2016 https://www.maths.nottingham.ac.uk/plp/pmzibf/cb-work.pdf The nomination contains various useful information Fanofunt (talk) 05:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Article is not protected. Fish +Karate 12:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Second Fields Prize
The assertion that "The ICM announced that it would issue a replacement medal." should be updated. I propose the wording: During the closing ceremony of the Rio ICM, Birkar was presented a replacement Fields prize. He is the only person to have received two Fields prizes. 165.230.224.158 (talk) 21:18, 25 September 2018 (UTC)Chuck Weibel

Photo
I ve found a photo by Commons. Can someone help me an load the picture ? Avestaboy (talk) 10:06, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Caucher_Birkar_new_medal_Fields.jpg Avestaboy (talk) 18:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)