Talk:Celtic punk

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Cleaned this article up a bit. Biq question: What pages link here? I see Celtic Fusion and The Pogues do. Perhaps this page is ultimately unnecessary, or should forward to Celtic Fusion? If we could add more than this one paragraph, I could see the merit of keeping it. I'm not sure I have much to say without doing the research. Bjart 03:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Click "What links here" from the toolbox on the main page. I have heard The Tossers live and though I wasnt exactly enamorated with them they definantly qualified as 'Celtic punk.' We should attempt to increase the visibility of this page and see where it goes. Dan, the CowMan 05:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

This page needs a list of bands representing the genre. Look at the Celtic Rock article as an example. I have tried to add a list numerous times, only to have them deleted by other users. For a genre as small as this, a list of relevent bands should be included. At the least, this article should include links to various Celtic Punk bands.
 * I agree that it should have some, and it does name a few examples. A huge list of bands, especially one which includes "lesser-known" bands is simply an invitation to add every single band known to man into this article, which is unencyclopedic and unhelpful.  Perhaps creating Category:Celtic punk would better suit what you're looking to do?  (And FYI: Celtic Rock is a redirect to Folk-rock). Fightindaman 06:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, the article I was reffering to is Celtic rock. And this genre is comprised of fewer than twenty bands, making it reasonable to, at the least, include a list of them for reference. Lists of bands are included in most other musical genre articles.
 * For a look at a good article on a music genre, see Heavy metal music. It was a featured article and, surprise surprise, dosen't have an unseemly list of bands tagged on to the end.  Examples are fine, a list of all is not.  Make a category. Fightindaman 22:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This article could use a new picture, as the current one is of a Gaelic Punk, not a Celtic Punk, band. And a list, as with the Celtic rock article. —This unsigned comment was added by 172.190.215.60 (talk • contribs).
 * Actually, as I already pointed out, Heavy metal music which is a featured article about a music genre has no such list, so we should probably follow this model versus Celtic rock.

Ska?
I edited out a reference to ska a few months ago and now there's another one. How is this relevant? What "traditional instrumentation" does ska feature, and whose tradition is it? How is that tradition related to celtic punk? I was under the impression that most of ska's instrumentation was lifted from the American R&B scene of the 50s/60s.

Same with the reference to "Gypsy Punk." I think it would be better to either link to folk rock, folk punk, etc and let it play out from there unless there are direct connections to be made (e.g., the majority of gypsy punk bands being directly inspired by celtic punk bands). 149.159.112.45 01:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Ska is a mixture of american jazz with more traditional calypso rhythms and instrumentation. It often makes use of traditional african and indian folk instruments. I mentioned it, along with Gypsy punk, in order to demonstrate the relationship between celtic punk and other types of folk punk, particularly in regards to instrumentation. However, i agree that a mention of, and link to, the folk rock article would serve this purpose just as well.


 * Calypso is more of a Trinidad thing, as described on its page. There isn't really a lot of traditional mento instrumentation in ska, especially not in ska punk. Bjart 02:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Stub
This article is labeled a stub. What more do we want to see? I would be tempted to add a more detailed history, but I don't get the impression that celtic punk's history has been continuous. Bjart 20:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I updated the page a bit by adding links to other early and influential bands, like The Men They Couldn't Hang and Roaring Jack from Australia. There was also a link to Neck that I fixed. (BTW, they're a great band that has contributed to some movie soundtracks; one of their songs gave Shite 'n' Onions its name.  I thought that was enough to give `em a link.) -- mrdano 15:05, 12 Sept 2006


 * I cleaned up some of the recent additions to help the article flow once again. I have a feeling more can be said, but a lot of it is already said or should be said on the numerous linked articles. Bjart 08:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. Good improvements.  Does this still qualify as a stub?  Is there a process for un-stub-ification?  Mrdano 15:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe that's up to us to decide. I'm considering dragging up my copies of The Lost Decade, A Drink with Shane MacGowan, or any interviews with the likes of Flogging Molly on their influences, the genre, etc. It really seems to me that Celtic punk was less a genre proper and more something that has been invented a few times over, but this may be changing thanks to the internet. A troll through DZM's forums and archives might be in order as well. Bjart 20:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm casting my vote for removing the stub classification. As for the genre, I'm guessing it's been around and just way under the radar for a long time.  Pub rock was one of the precursors to Punk, so it only seems logical that pub rock from Irish pubs would have a Celtic flavor.  I've been listening to the Dubliners a lot lately; they're definitely not punk, but their music has some of the same characteristics -- working class concerns, a slight political edge to some of their songs, love of the drink and general rowdiness, etc.  Their collaboration with the Pogues on The Irish Rover was great.
 * If you know of links to early reviews or other info, you might consider adding a section of external links to them. Mrdano 15:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If we only include links, they should should on the artist pages, I think. But if the aim is to incorporate more information, I'd recommend starting with the Pogues.com site and The Lost Decade. I'm sure there are interviews on the origins of other bands out there.Bjart 20:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Template added
I created a genrebox template for this page and added a link, following the examples of the Punk Rock and Christian Music templates. Its page is  here if you want to edit it. Mrdano 21:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

external link in band list
It didn't seem right to have that link in the list, considering all of the other bands have their own pages, and this one was external. I noticed the shite-n-onions was too, but I only took the band on out. here it is: Lynched. If someone else thinks it should be there, feel free to reinclude it. LordJumper 04:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I decided to start some cleanup anyway... LordJumper 04:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Notable bands list
I know, I know...it should probably be a category. Hold on... LordJumper 20:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Should "The Bloody Irish Boys" be mentioned here? Angmar09 03:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No "The Cherry Coke$"?
What the hell =( VTNC 23:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Celtic punk from Brittany
I think it should be pointed out in the article that celtic punk are gaining foothold in Brittany. The band Les Ramoneurs de Menhirs, of wich members one is the guitarist from the well reputated french punk bank Bérurier Noir, combines punk with tradition breton music (and instruments, such as bombarde and bagpipes). Their popularity is growing in Brittany and marks a sort of beginning for celtic punk from Brittany, why is this deleted instead of modifiend and why is this now not mentioned at all? EriFr (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

If you provide reliable references to back up your claims, then they won't be deleted. Also, just because one band plays a certain style of music, it doesn't mean there's a trend developing. There would have to be several bands to make it some kind of movement or scene.Spylab (talk) 00:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Absolutely true, it is ineeed not a sign of a trend, or the development of a scene, but it could be pointed out that it is the very first example of its kind of celtic punk (mixed with the traditional celtic musik originating from, and in some ways specific for, Brittany). I agree with you that references are needed, but the lack of references is a general problem in this article, and concerns most claims.85.8.12.201 (talk) 16:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

History
I can't believe what I read. Flatfoot 56 is not a Scottish band. The members are from Chicago. The statement that the members of these bands do not have Celtic ancestry is total BS too. Are you saying the Dropkick Murphys have no Irish Americans in it as well as the other bands? I guess this article could be fixed but I think that section really spoils this whole entry. I'd love to see what the cited material really states. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.228.230 (talk) 03:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have have tried to clarify this section, the implication is meant to be that these are North American bands using Irish or Scottish music as an influence. As to issue of Celtic ancestry, it is in a separate sentence, some bands may be completely made up of members with Celtic ancestry.--Sabrebd (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I also take issue with the history section, including the specific ancestry line the unsigned user mentioned. Primarily because it sites a source published in 1994, before North American Celtic punk even really existed, as a reference for how "some have contained members with no Celtic ancestry." I just now cleaned up the grammar of this section because it was poorly written, and it was this copyediting that led me to notice the poor use of citation and case the sentence is making. I may return to improve this later, which would likely include removing this particular unhelpful text altogether. Documenting my view and intentions here.Brakoholic (talk) 15:25, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

i mis alot of Bands at folk punk like the cropdusters ,the wiskey prists (from durham),the ukrainians, les negresses vertes,los fabulosos cadillacs,celtas cortas,roarig jack(from australia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.219.200.183 (talk) 06:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)