Talk:Centre points of the United Kingdom

WP:CITE
Can we please cite the '2002 studies by the Ordnance Survey' from which the quoted statistics are taken? Does anyone have a precise reference? --Nick Boalch?!? 10:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * |The BBC did a story and refered to the results Paul Weaver 20:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

centre of england
i live in chesterfield derbyshir and theres a field next the famous red lion at stanedge where a post is situated supposedly marking the centre of britain/england im not entirely sure which. any validity in it?

There is a plaque on the roadside at Morton, to the north of Alfreton, which claims it as the centre of England "as defined by the Ordnance Survey". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danensis (talk • contribs) 13:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Please note on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_points_of_the_United_Kingdom under Centroid locations > England > Lindley Hall Farm > The plaque denoting this point, and disputing the "traditional" centre of England as being at Meriden in the West Midlands, was erected on 14 June 2013, by Hinckley & Bosworth Council. The plaque is not endorsed by the Ordnance Survey it merely quotes their research. --5.158.88.104 (talk) 13:27, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

History?
..Where is it?? Zerofri 21:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, someone vandalised the History section, and then two people decided it would b ebetter to replace the vandalism with acomment saying it had been removed than with the actual original content. Reverted Rawling 4851  23:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

since I can find no reliable source for this. Notably, Daventry District Council fail to make any mention of this tradition. Similarly, I have removed "It was once believed that Weedon Bec in Northamptonshire was the centre of England. An old military installation still exists there, built as an Ordnance Stores Depot to protect weapons and ammunition from the invading French. A branch from the Grand Union Canal was constructed to supply the Depot." since I can again find no reliable evidence of any such belief having ever existed. One might imagine, for instance, that the Weedon Bec page might make mention of this 'fact'. Longwayround (talk) 16:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just removed "The Vikings believed Daventry was the centre of England. They planted a tree to mark this, the ‘Dane Tree’, hence the name Daventry."

United Kingdom vs Britain
The article references the centre of Britain, but the title is about the centre of the United Kingdom. Is there a reference for the centre of the UK (including Northern Ireland)?


 * Not this again. Bring it upon the main article for UK, get shot down in flames for your efforts, then do what everyone else does. Mainly, just ignore everyone else and make up your own mind as to the difference between the terms and never the twain shall meet! As an example of the stupidity of THAT article, The UK is a country. It is also a nation. It consisting of 4 countries, and each of these constituent countries is a nation in it's own right. Together they make up The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK is short for (but different to) The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Britain and Great Britain are used interchangeably, but are different. Great Britain does not include Northern Ireland, except when it does include it. The 4 countries of the UK together form a single nation, which is not the same as the country they make together, even though these 2 terms are usually accepted interchangeably.
 * Its all there... with citations contradicting each other, so it must be true... right? MrZoolook (talk) 06:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

"Rectangular map"
The article talks of the "centre of a rectangular map", but it is not clear what this means. The rectangularity or otherwise of any map depends on the projection used to make the map. Matt 11:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC).

Another method; as used by Canada.
"The centre of Canada can be measured in many ways. The most readily understood would be by taking the mid-point of the extremities of the Canadian landmass". http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/learningresources/facts/faq.html#q10 Click on "Facts About Canada". Then "Frequently Asked Questions About Canada". Then "9. Some Significant Canadian Geographical Facts".

Northern point of mainland Great Britain, Easter Head - Dunnet Head WGS84 58°40’19.7”N and the Southern point, Lizard Point 49°57’31.9”N. Mid-point latitude 54°18’55.8”N. Eastern point of mainland Great Britain, Lowestoft Ness 1°45’47.0”E and the Western point, Corrachadh Mor 6°13’40.6”W. Mid-point longitude 2°13’56.8”W. Centre-point of the mainland of Great Britain, (WGS84, 54°18’55.8”N, 2°13’56.8”W) = (SD 84976, 91124). About 1.7 miles / 2.7 kilometres, North-West of the centre of Hawes, North Yorkshire.

Method: 1:25 000 Ordnance Survey maps. Using a ruler to measure the grid references. Then using O.Ss Coordinate transformer to give the latitude and longitude in ETRS89. Coordinates are from Mean High Water Springs. However, Corrachadh Mor is from O.S. Furthermore, I have converted the OSGB longitude for Corrachadh Mor to WGS84. Sulasgeir (talk) 13:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyone have a result for if you bias with population?
Should this page include a reference to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_of_population#Great_Britain --87.127.91.51 (talk) 00:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'll add a short paragraph.   D b f i r s   15:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

So how far is it ?
It would be useful to know actually how far the places which are claimed to be furthest from the sea ( including or excluding tidal rivers ), actually are from the sea .Eregli bob (talk) 08:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

The tidal rivers one certainly needs clarifying. Several rivers are actually tidal further than OS maps indicate (they show the "legal" tidal limit for navigation purposes). The Severn for example is shown on maps as only tidal to Maisemore north of Gloucester, when spring tides can in fact flow up to Worcester. Similarly the weir at Chester is regularly overtopped by the tide, as is the one at Warrington.

The Hammerwich/Wall point seems to be equidistant from Chester, Cromwell Lock and the Mersey near Runcorn, but move the Severn tidal limit to Worcester and it's much closer. Glancing at the map I think that the point furthest from any possible tidal influence is either a) somewhere in the Leicester area (equidistant from Cromwell, Worcester and the Nene east of Peterborough) or b) just west of Oxford (equidistant from the Thames tideway and the Severn). Eastern England is out because several rivers in the Fens are tidal way inland. Walshie79 (talk) 00:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Possible to get a map?
Would it be possible to get a map indicating where each 'centre' is marked. For some kind of reference to the distances these methods make? MrZoolook (talk) 06:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea. Have we any mapping experts who could easily add it?  You can just paste the co-ords into any mapping software, and I suppose I could do this, but there are many others here who would do it better than I can.    D b f i r s   15:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dr Greg. That was quick!    D b f i r s   19:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Central reference point
I'm not sure how this would be described but: is there a location that is used a central reference point for the United Kingdom? Similar to the centre points of cities that are used for mileage (e.g. London's centre is Charing Cross - now a roundabout just south of Trafalgar Square).

I came to this article looking for this, but there was no mention of it. I'm interested as I noticed that if you search Google Maps for 'United Kingdom', it drops its marker pin somewhere is southern Scotland - which isn't any of the locations mentioned in this article. Where does this position come from?

--smiler (talk) 15:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't trust Google Maps for accuracy (until recently they has a local mountain in the middle of a local river) . I would have thought that distances between countries would be measured either from the nearest point on the boundary or from capital cities, but "Freemaptools" uses some kind of centre.  Does anyone know?    D b f i r s   15:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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My own calculation
Adding the longitude of the easternmost and westernmost point and latitude of the northernmost and southernmost point of UK, the result would be 55.35, -3.443458, somewhere near Moffat,Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.190.197.45 (talk) 05:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)