Talk:Ceolwulf II of Mercia

Proposing a reorganisation
I recommend that "Mercia, Wessex and the Vikings" be renamed "Legacy" and moved to the end of this essay. Ceolwulf II is back in the media, and the trends have been toward seeing this king as a peer to Alfred. It seems that while Alfred faced the Danes, Ceolwulf kept the Welsh off his back. Overall, historians were already coming to agreement that the Chronicle entry is tendentious, even before this new hoard has been unearthed. --Zimriel (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that the article needs a major revision. It does not even give the date of the division of the kingdom between the English and the Vikings. However moving the Mercia, Wessex and the Vikings section to the end would make the situation even worse by not mentioning the division until the legacy section.


 * I have revised the paragraph on Wales. There is no reason to think that Ceolwulf kept the Welsh off Alfred's back. When Rhodri was killed, he had only just returned to Wales after being driven out by the Vikings the previous year. The Welsh were far too weak to present a threat to Alfred, and Ceolwulf was taking advantage of the preoccupation of Wessex and the Vikings with fighting each other to attempt to reassert the traditional Mercian claim to hegemony over Wales. According to Asser, most of the Welsh kingdoms accepted Alfred's lordship in the 880s, the northern ones to get protection against the oppression of the sons of Rhodri, and the southern against the oppression of Æthelred. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

With the release of Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, it may be time to add a Popular Culture section to this. Ceolwulf II shows up in the game and the player actually helps him come to the throne, unseating Burgred. CAPace09 (talk) 01:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)