Talk:Cerebral palsy/Archive 2

Classification
I am of the opinion that classification better fits under diagnosis (slightly latter in the article) than right at the start. Signs and symptoms first gives a better starting overview. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 12:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK no problem.  20:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I really think the body of the article should start off with a definition stating what CP is, so I've moved that up to the top of Signs and symptoms. It fits there naturally.   21:04, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * We do state what it is in the lead. Formal definitions are often more complicated than a discussion of signs and symptoms.
 * Easy either way. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:11, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Problems
Have reverted all the additions from this class as 1) they are poorly formatted 2) they do not follow the WP:MEDMOS, 3) some stuff is just simply wrong for example

a) This is not a method of prevention: "Furthermore, one way to prevent CP is to monitor the baby and one way one can do that is through orthopedic interventions since people who have CP are at risk for hip displacement."

b) Not sure what this means: "Scientists have found that magnesium sulfate can play a key role in preventing CP during pregnancy because of its nutrients, since most of it is stored in bones" What does it being in your bones have to do with anything? Nutrients?

c) The injectable form of Mg is never called "Epson salt"

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 22:40, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Missing photo? The article mentions the photo, but there is no photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.135.246 (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Mixed cerebral palsy
insufficient independent content Rathfelder (talk) 12:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with this change Attaboy (talk) 19:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merged Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 23:32, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

congenital malformations as risk factor, refimprove tag
Once again, seems to know [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cerebral_palsy&type=revision&diff=680533082&oldid=680304480 everything better]. Here in a pediatric topic, hardly an area of his expertise. He claims "CPt is a congenital malformation, this is not a risk, removed over tagging" in his edit summary and reverts my addition.

Yes, CP is often (but not always) congenital, but OTHER congenital malformations are risk factors for it, an important detail that, sorry to say, was not on the page yet, but he could have learnt, if he was UTD on it or read the article I added. So the removal is incorrect, not based on the current knowledge and understanding of CP and I expect him to revert himself.

Secondly, there is absolutely no overtagging. The article makes numerous unreferenced claims. So why revert a justified and harmless tag? Is it a blemish in wikiproject medicine's statistics if a medical article has the tag refimprove? Or what? It looks awfully reflexive.

Lastly, I expect Doc James to WP:discuss this here, and not cop out as all the other times when he has stormed in, as with his napoleonic renaming of the antibiotic resistance page and merging it with the antimicrobial resistance page I created, for example for as always content-uniformed reasons.--Wuerzele (talk) 15:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Media: another movie
Oasis (Oasiseu, 2002) (Director: Chang-dong Lee) 2h13m, South Korea http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0320193/ A young man released from prison visits the widow of the man he killed drink-driving. There he meets her daughter, wheelchair bound with cerebral palsy. 70.49.107.11 (talk) 21:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Review
10.1136/practneurol-2015-001184 JFW &#124; T@lk  11:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Pregnancy and childbirth?
This article does not have good information about what happens if a woman with CP becomes pregnant and gives birth - if the CP has any effects on symptoms during the pregnancy, difficulty of labour. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:50, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Cerebral Palsy: Science and Clinical Practice book
I found a very good book here: Cerebral Palsy: Science and Clinical Practice which should be used to improve this article (even just by using the chapter titles as a springboard for research). --211.30.17.74 (talk) 03:50, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Life expectancy
One paragraph states: "The life expectancy of those with CP is less than that of the general population but has improved with the utilization of modern medicine.[16]"

Two paragraphs later: "People with CP can usually expect to have a normal life expectancy; survival has been shown to be associated with the ability to ambulate, roll, and self-feed.[63] As the condition does not affect reproductive function, people with CP can have children and parent successfully."

Which is it?? I don't know, so I am not to about to edit this article. Tebrennan (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Per http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16765736, it is both. I am updating article to reflect. InitHello (talk) 04:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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note
Cochrane Library search for "cerebral palsy" (not certain why Cochrane is at top of talk page?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I put it there as a stop-gap to help my research until Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_92 is implemented, because Cochrane reviews are highly regarded MEDRSes. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 10:48, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Arabic edition
The Arabic edition of this page is pleasingly well-developed, and might have a few ideas for topics to research. The Polish edition seems to be a translation of the English. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 22:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

'Drunk Russian'
This video is on many immature sites - it shows a Russian man that can't properly speak or balance himself. The common text posted next to the video is "oh, drunk russian, ha-ha" and it's accapted by viewers. But the defiant proof that it's cerebral palsy is that a news agency found and did an interview with him and his family on his "fame" on the internet. They didn't know aqbout it and were not amused that thousands of people are making fun of cerebral palsy.

I mention this, because this is the most ‘popular’ pop culture reference of cerebral palsy online. Just youtube 'drunk russian'.

-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.112.186 (talk • contribs) 20:33, 19 November 2008

Saving for later


Looks like it might be a good general resource for improving the largely-uncited signs and symptoms section. I'm a bit confused by the recent promotion of the article to B-class - although I have been working to improve the article, my experience as a reader, and the amount of citations needed still gels more with the c-class description, I think. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 22:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Stages of human development
This article needs more on 'cerebral palsy and' each of the stages of human development. Dropping this here for safekeeping. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 02:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Genetics
These "diagrams" are so awful and played out. Come on, it's been almost ten years and it's still copy-pasted onto every page about a disease. And in this case, CP is only 2% genetic! What does it help to have an ugly, drab, blue and white figure that is just more confusing than it is helpful? Hwfr (talk) 21:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Lead Section
I feel that there is some disorganization in the lead section of this article. Some of the paragraphs I believe could be rearranged in a way that would make more sense to the readers. There are also sections that are quite lengthy. I plan to look through the lead section of this article, rearrange the order of the paragraphs in a way that may make more sense. I also plan to go through and perhaps re-summarize lengthy sections in order to shorten them, as well as re-paraphrase sentences to bring more accuracy and strength to this article. Torressy (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Cause
With respect to cause the ref says "In many cases, the cause of cerebral palsy is unknown. Possible causes include genetic abnormalities, congenital brain malformations, maternal infections or fevers, or fetal injury, for example."

The brain damage is part of the mechanism. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Infobox image
The infobox image doesn't seem to relate to or illustrate the condition at all – it's just a doctor examining a smiling kid. It may well be that there are no immediate outward signs of the condition, but in that case this image is still fails to illustrate anything (maybe some sort of a diagram, or no image would be better?). I looked at some other languagewiki versions of this article, but couldn't find a better one. — Goszei (talk) 00:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * @Goszei, speaking as someone with mild cerebral palsy, there often aren't any outward signs that can be illustrated with a photograph of someone sitting, if they're not sitting in a wheelchair or walker-with-a-seat. According to the photo description on Wikimedia Commons, the kid actually has cerebral palsy. I'm more curious if the child and, if relevant, their guardian(s) are aware that it's being used in an encyclopedia. It's certainly a humanizing photo. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me if replying off my talk page. Thank you. 05:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Having non-dehumanizing photos to illustrate conditions is important, but the illustration itself is equally so. There are many non-visible conditions, but it fails to satisfy the basic purpose of visual illustration to have an image where there are no markers, physical or otherwise, that show off at least one visible aspect of the condition (if not symptoms, then effects/treatment/etc). — Goszei (talk) 05:44, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Maybe this one could work? The file description doesn't say this boy has palsy, but it shows a standing frame, which can be part of management for the condition. Perhaps that's too many orders removed, however. — Goszei (talk) 05:47, 14 May 2021 (UTC)