Talk:Certificate of Secondary Education

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Amareci — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.156.86.126 (talk) 13:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

CSE does not resolve qualification issue as the article implies.
The article says:-

"Before the introduction of the CSE, the majority of those schoolchildren at secondary modern schools did not take O-Level examinations and so left school without any qualifications at all."

However, the introduction of the CSE in itself did not resolve the issue as this statement implies. The CSE examinations were taken at the end of an optional 5th year. The parents of secondary modern school pupils were not obliged to let their children attend this and a high proportion of secondary modern pupils continued to leave school without qualifications even after the introduction of the CSE.--ColinSMill (talk) 17:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

In order to resolve the above issue I propose that para 2 should be revised to read:-

''It was introduced to provide a qualification accessible to an ability range below that of the GCE (O-Level). The latter was intended for the more able pupils - primarily those aiming for university entrance. The introduction of the CSE did not, of itself, resolve the issue that the majority of children attended secondary modern schools and left at the end of the fourth year without qualifications. By the late 1960s and early 1970s, some counties had introduced their own examinable qualifications for those leaving at the end of the fourth year. For example, the county of Monmouthshire in Wales awarded the Monmouthshire Certificate in Education. However, CSEs, like O-Levels, were examined in an optional fifth year of secondary education. The majority of secondary modern pupils continued to leave without qualifications until, in 1972, the raising of the school leaving age to 16 made a fifth year of secondary education compulsory.''

Any objections?--ColinSMill (talk) 15:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)?

multiple issues: GCSE / O-Level (UK) / CSE - reversion war
All three page has numerous issues, but as it appear any attempt to correct errors leads to a revision war perhaps a responsible adult fancies addressing:

Copied mainly from ( User_talk:83.77.136.150 ) but to duplicate them here:

FYI:
 * However ever many times you hit revert there will still only be 10 years, not 20, between 1996 and 2006, you can verify that one on your fingers, no toes required..
 * The figures in the table I'm building: English O-Level and CSE Mathematics entrants 1977-9 are for years 1977, 1978 and 1979 (those little blue numbers after by title will take you to a LINK with the original numbers in), please leave the years alone.
 * The figures for 8+ passes, in another little table I'm building "Percentage of School-Leavers in England obtaining 'n' O-level(A-C) or CSE grade 1 pass", are: 4.5 and 4.7 - again follow the magic blue numbers to the source, and leave the numbers alone.
 * The first GCSE awards were in June 1988, so there is no pre 1988.
 * The number of subjects, syllabus content, assessment, ..... have changed considerably since those proposed in 1986, the number of subjects has increased from the ~33 in 1988, to over 120 in the list you keep removing the formatting from, the A* was introduced in 1994, controlled assessment expanded..... So please stop removing the content i'm adding, and replacing it with a "nothing changes".
 * The GCSE in not norm-referenced, so any comparison with similar awards will only be valid for the year the data was compared, in this case the comparisons were made in: 1988 and 1994.
 * There are approximately 800,000 pupils in each GCSE cohort, not 6 million, please stop replacing the count of exam scripts with the word candidates.
 * Also please stop deleting the "See also" sections, that link to other variants of the qualification.
 * removal of quoted and cited text from the OECD and Department of Education,
 * please stop removing the previous names / brands the exam boards offered GCSE's as.

83.104.51.74 (talk) 18:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC) 83.104.51.74 (talk) 18:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

83.104.51.74 (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

The comparison of modern day GCSE(2017) to  CSE is inaccurate
grade 4 CSE states: from AQA Grade 4 describes the standard of performance expected from a student of average ability in the subject who has applied him/herself to a course of study regarded by teachers of the subject as appropriate to the student's age, ability and aptitude.

So this surely must coincide with the average ability of a typical person doing a GCSE(2017). The CSE was the first attempt at standardization. Essentially the table is comparing CSE, which is a step up from a pass/fail system with a system that has approx 50years of development the GCSE(2017).

Any comparison should center around the average persons ability. 209.93.104.105 (talk) 19:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)