Talk:Cesária Évora

Is this article a carbon copy???
This article looks like it's an exact copy of the article in The African Music Encyclopedia. Or was that article copied from the one in Wikipedia?

Also, the picture is obviously the same as in a webpage on Cesária Évora, with an illustrated discography. The uploader (Jarod0139) readily states that he/she copied it from (http://www.caboverde.com/evora/evora.jpg).

Beware, Wikipedia Admins. --AVM 13:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

A bit of clarification needed
What was her first album?

According to the article: "And thanks to the women's association, she remained to record her first album. This proved to be a major turning point in her life.

While recording her album she met a Frenchman of Cape Verdian descent named Jose Da Silva who persuaded her to go to Paris where she recorded a new album, La diva aux pieds nus (The Barefoot Diva) in 1988....

Discography 1. La Diva aux pieds nus - 1988"

The article says that La diva aux pieds nus is her second album, but the discography list says otherwise. Arthurian Legend 15:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

oh and one more thing, does she sing in Portuguese or in Portuguese-Creole from Cape Verde?

Talk:Cesária Évora/Temp - New Article with Copy Violation Removed
Talk:Cesária Évora/Temp has newly edited text which removes the violation. --Kevin Murray 10:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a bit of a mixup when another editor moved this temporary page, thinking it was an article made in the wrong space. I have (I hope) moved it back so it is as it was. Rockpock  e  t  23:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Not acceptable
This is still Copyvio. Either write this from scratch, or delete the article. Moving sentences around and changing adjectives here and there just makes this a hodgepodge copyvio, but does not solve the problem. For example:

Britannica Profiles: http://search.eb.com/women/article-9404031 AME: http://africanmusic.org/artists/evora.html

Article: "Cesária Évora, is a notable folk singer, known as the "barefoot diva" because she frequently appears on stage in her bare feet, to bring attention to the homeless and poor women and children in her country"

AME: "Cesaria Evora... is known as the barefoot diva because of her propensity to appear on stage in her bare feet in support of the disadvantaged women and children of her country."

Article: "She is recognized as the queen of the morna, a soulful genre which evolved from the Portuguese fado sung in the Creole-Portuguese language.   Her voice is finely tuned with a touch of hoarseness.   She is routinely accompanied by guitar, cavaquinho, violin, accordion, and clarinet."

AME: "Long known as the queen of the morna, a soulful genre sung in Creole-Portuguese... Evora's voice, a finely-tuned, melancholy instrument with a touch of hoarseness... with the acoustic sounds of guitar, cavaquinho, violin, accordian, and clarinet."

Article: "Even audiences who do not understand her language can appreciate the emotions of her performances, which often portray her nation's long and troubled history of isolation and slave trade, as well as emigration – nearly 70% of the Cape Verdean living citizens are expatriates.."

AME: "Even audiences who do not understand her language are held spell-bound by the emotions evident in her performances... Evora's Cape Verdean blues often speak of the country's long and bitter history of isolation and slave trade, as well as emigration: almost two-thirds of the million Cape Verdeans alive live abroad."

Ori Redler 18:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As mentioned earlier, I do understand the seriousness of copyvio, but what is so sacred about infomation at http://africanmusic.org/artists/evora.html. In all my time on wikipedia, I have never seen an internet article so well guarded and protected. Muntuwandi 18:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing sacred about that information, except that it is not ours to take without permission. I am not guarding this article, but more annoyed by the fact that the copyvio label is removed time and again without rewriting the copyrighted material, and this is not the first time I've encountered this either, which makes it even more annoying, and I'm even more annoyed that when someone notes politely that this is copied nothing is done (see above) so I need to bother with this time and again. Ori Redler 01:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Please, stop this copyvio "party"
I've noted, rather then adding a copyvio label again, that there is still a copyvio problem here, but instead of solving it it is extended by copying still more from the sources I've mentioned above. Please, rewrite the whole article or there will be no choice except labelling it as copyvio again. 18:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Unless any wikipedian can have a personal interview with evora, we'll need to rely on these sources for information. In its current form the article does not rely heavily on one source but on several that are all cited in the external links. I do not understand why this article is being picked on.Muntuwandi 01:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You seem to miss a crucial point here: it doesn't matter how many sources you rely on -- you can rely on one or ten -- and it doesn't really matter how heavily you rely on any of them, and it isn't even crucial if you cite them or reference them -- what matters is that you (and others) copy passages from those sources verbatim. Ori Redler 13:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In a sense it does matter. If an article contains multiple sources it will become more unique and will not resemble any one single source.Muntuwandi 15:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it does matter: if you copy verbatim from multiple sources, that aggravates the situation, because it is not only a copyright violation, but one you try to hide. Ori Redler 17:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Previous Version
I'm late to this discussion -- I'm just curious, what happened to the earlier version of the article, and why was it junked? Appreciate any light anyone could shed. —GGreeneVa 18:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It was deleted and replaced with the current version because of copyright violations. It is essentially the same old copied article (i.e., also copyvio). Ori Redler 17:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Evora.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Now I See...
...why this article reads like a promotional bio sketch put out by an artists management rep. Jeez, what does it take to get you guys to take this issue seriously? Cgingold (talk) 10:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Authorship of Sodade
The version by Bonga (Angola 74) may have been the original version, but per the liner notes of Miss Perfumado, authorship credit for Sodade belongs to Luis Morais & Amandio Cabral. There are also mentions of a different couple, namely Armando Zerafino Soares & Amandio Cabral, making the rounds. Pending resolution, the sure thing is that the lyrics were by Mr. Cabral.

BTW, there's this version by Cesaria & Bonga together, with the Youtube caption crediting Amandio Cabral/Amandio Cabral - Luis Morais. elpincha (talk) 03:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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Cesária Évora discography
 Support split - Discography section takes up more than one third of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled Cesária Évora discography. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:21, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Sources to improve the article's quality
Hello dear wikipedians, i have spent some hours to find possible reliable sources, which can help to improve the quality of the article in question. Now follows a list from what i was able to find, may we can improve this article together in the future with this material.

Michel Kemper on December 17, 2011 Chris Gibson, John Conell Paul Cicero Tom Moon Andrew Gilbert, December 3, 2006 Anne Berthod on 16 December 2011 Lusophone Africa: Beyond Independence, Fernando Arenas Barbara Gilford on July 10, 1994 Angel H. Sopena on 10.05.2019 Jon Pareles on Feb. 2, 2014 Neil Strauss on Oct. 11, 1995 Gwen Ansell on 10.05.2019 2006 Barry Davis on June 27, 2013 Andrew Gilbert on May 26, 2009 Kevin R. Convey on May 22, 2009 Marivic Tagala May. 11, 2010 Emilio Figueredo on 18 June, 2019 Dario D'Angelo on 27.08.2019 Gianni Valentino on November 10, 2012 Mia Pappalardo on 27 August 2019 Francesco Fredella on 6 December 2017
 * http://www.nosenchanteurs.eu/index.php/2011/12/17/cesaria-evora-1941-2011/
 * https://books.google.de/books?id=QVDajUawJmwC&pg=PA80
 * https://books.google.de/books?id=QBf7Mq96nYUC&pg=PA16
 * https://books.google.de/books?id=zk0Z0bD2DGcC&pg=PA266
 * Victor Pross
 * https://books.google.de/books?id=rtbZ3etlHpoC&pg=PA13#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * Original News article - http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/12/03/singing_her_islands_songs/
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20070204050642/http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/12/03/singing_her_islands_songs/
 * https://www.telerama.fr/musique/cesaria-evora-la-diva-aux-pieds-nus-chanteuse-cap-vert,76169.php
 * https://books.google.de/books?id=eThbx7A_mEEC&pg=PA45
 * https://books.google.de/books?id=eThbx7A_mEEC&pg=PA62 - segments bout Elefteria Arvanitaki documented (not completely free to read)
 * https://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/10/nyregion/dance-dancing-in-remembrance-of-a-colleague.html
 * https://www.laopiniondemurcia.es/descubre-fds/2019/05/10/eleftheria-arvanitaki-abre-hoy-nueva/1020059.html
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/arts/music/eleftheria-arvanitakis-adoring-fans-flock-to-carnegie-hall.html
 * A version of this article appears in print on Feb. 3, 2014, Section C,
 * Page 5 of the New York edition with the headline: Staying True to Greece While Drawing on Some Wider Influences.
 * https://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/11/arts/pop-review-natalie-merchant-barefoot-dancing-and-emoting.html
 * https://allafrica.com/stories/200608100863.html
 * https://www.jpost.com/Arts-and-Culture/Music/From-Cape-Verde-with-love-317989
 * https://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/maria-de-barros-opens-a-window-to-cape-verde/
 * https://www.bostonherald.com/2009/05/22/maria-de-barros/amp/
 * https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmusic/article/Cesaria-Evora-Undergoes-Open-Heart-Surgery-Cancels-All-2010-Performances-20100511
 * https://www.analitica.com/musica/blog/cesaria-evora-la-reina-de-la-moma-y-sus-duetos/ (may not be reliable)
 * https://www.ilsussidiario.net/news/cesaria-evora-chi-e-la-diva-a-piedi-nudi-che-ha-reso-la-morna-famosa-nel-mondo/1919582/
 * https://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/2012/11/10/news/maria_nazionale_nel_disco_del_tributo_a_cesaria_evora-46339490/
 * https://www.gossipetv.com/cristiano-malgioglio-ricorda-incontro-cesaria-evora-432962
 * https://www.novella2000.it/cristiano-malgioglio-vola-5-milioni/

I know it takes time to put time in writing the article, so please don't be overwhelmed of the sheer size of this sources. Nobody expect from anyone, to transform this article into an flawless one. This list should just help to improve the quality of the article. Thanks and have a nice weekend. Abani79 (talk) 11:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)