Talk:Ceviche/Archive 1

Chilean o Peruvian?
I don't know where you get the info about chilean claim to Ceviche. I lived in Chile for 20 years and they refer to Ceviche as a Peruvian Dish. [Tony]

I have heard that Chileans claims that the ceviche originated in their country. So I made some few changes on the article, to give it more neutrality, until somebody gives clear proofs.

Here's a source which clearly says its Peruvian. It IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE CHILEAN. http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/CevicheNotes.htm --Marco524

As far as I know none in Chile claims the ceviche to be chilean, and I'm chilean. The only people who believes that are peruvian... Ceviche comes from Spain, indirectly from the Maghreb, "seqbash" is moroccan arabic for a dish of fish conserved in citric juices. In prehispanic pacific coast there might have been similar dishes but without lemon. Personally I think that wars about the "origin" or "invention" of a dish are ridiculous and expresions of cheap chauvinism but have little to do with how different culinay elements spread over the world.--DaniloVilicic (talk) 03:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible resource for History Section
Someone with more time than I could take the information found here: http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/CevicheNotes.htm and culminate it into a history section for this article

This is what you need to know: REGARDING THE NAME AND ORIGIN Some attribute the origin of the name to the English sailors, who watched fishermen on the coast of Peru eating their fish directly from the sea with just lemons and salt, and said "See the beach." Since this is a phrase that the locals could not repeat well, they instead pronounced it "Ceviche." Another source claims its origin comes from a dish made from fish “ENCEBOLLADO” (seasoned with onions) with lemon, and of the conjunction of these two concepts the “ENCEVICHADO” is born and afterwards the name CEVICHE. Some historians such as Juan José Vega, believe the origin of our “SEVICHE” comes from the Arabic word “SIBECH” – with which sour food is referred to - and tells how the Moorish women, who were taken as military loot by the Catholic King and Queen in Granada and who later arrived in Peru accompanying Pizarro’s troop, added juice of sour oranges first and then lemon juice to raw fish with hot pepper and seaweed that pre-Hispanic Peruvians already prepared. Let us remember that some historians showed that lemon is of Arabic origin. Others believe the origin of the name derives from a somewhat contemptuous attitude of the high class. In the beginning, Cebiche was prepared with a type of fish called “Bonito” and it was considered an exclusive dish for fishermen, colored people, zambos, Indians and mestizos. “Bonito” is a type of fish that has a strong, oily taste and when referring to the dish prepared with it, people would say “It’s some sort of bait with onion and lemon”. From the combination of these concepts, the name of “SEBICHE” and “SEVICHE” would come. Many times, throughout history, aspects of love come related to food. In the case of this famous Peruvian dish, Cebiche, many aphrodisiac effects are attributed to it. It’s also said that the name comes from the concept of “Bait to catch men” or “Powder with which its firearm is charged” and this very special “Bait” with Onion and Lemon” could not be called in any other way than Cebiche. It is necessary to mention that fish used to be eaten raw in ancient Peru, just as a vast food range, due to firewood shortage. At that time, Peruvians of the Coast seasoned fish with hot pepper, bitter orange juice or a native fruit called “Tumbo” and at the end, seaweed was added. Historian, Dr. Javier Thumb Vidal, states earnestly that the name of “Seviche” is very old and comes from the word “Viche” which means tender in the ancient Chibcha language. This word was spoken in Panama and also in Colombia, Ecuador and the North of Peru. The meaning of “Seviche” would have to be understood as tender fish or fresh fish. The truth is that the word “Sebiche” is documented since 1820, when the song “chicha” was sung by fellow country soldiers and it said: "Venga el Sebiche, la guatia, en seguida que también convida y excita a beber. Todo indio sostenga con el poto en mano que a todo tirano hay que aborrecer". (“Come Sebiche and right after it the guatia, which also invites and incites to drink. All Indians hold your glass up with your hand, that all tyrants we must deride").

It is highly important to notice that “Sebiche” was the word used for our traditional dish, along with “Guatia”, which is meat roasted with diverse herbs and “Poto” which is a quechua voice that  refers to a dry pumpkin, used as a glass.

Up until the XVI century, the etymologic acceptance pointed out the word “bait” as food in its first meaning and as secondary meaning, food with which animals are lured during hunting, fishing, etc. It is possible then that "Cebiche” has that origin. Carlos Prince writes in 1890: “Seviche”, which is one of the favorite appetizers; consists of slight chops of fish or shrimps which, soaked in bitter orange juice, red hot pepper and salt, macerated for a few hours by the caustic action of the acidity of the orange ".

In the end, no matter what the origin is or how it is called, the true fact is that everybody agrees that Cebiche is a succulent, luring, tasty, aromatic and Peruvian dish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglassda (talk • contribs) 16:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Limes?
Make some, the more simple varities are not difficult to make ceviche de langostinos(prawns) can be made well without access to peruvian fish. You must use real limes I cannot stress this enough. 24.69.70.218 21:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

It's spelled "ceviche"
I've eaten Ceviche in Peru in many Cevicherias and they call it Ceviche. Therefore, the right spelling is "Ceviche" since this is a Peruvian Dish. [Jonas333]


 * Seviche is a variant spelling, and no resturant I've been to calls it that. Danny Lilithborne 23:39, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand how it's spelled, but how is "ceviche" pronounced? Golden Gash Bell 11:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Seh-vee-cheh". JuJube 16:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

What about Polynesia?
Pizza was invented in the Polynesia

Philipines was a Spanish territory until late 18 hundreds. Ceviche is a Peruvian Dish that became popular in the Polynesia through the Philipines, former Spanish territory.

There is also a strong belief that George Bush is a Martian. But Wikipedia is about facts, not believes. So Please make a valid argument before posting something on this board. Because you are only wasting space. User:Bill956

There is a strong belief on the 'net that ceviche originated in Polynesia (Google chviche originally polynesia). The present article should deal with this, either supporting or refuting it. Jedwards05 2006.06.05

If cebiche originated in Polynesia then Taco is not Mexican, Pizza is not an Italian invention, Hamburger is not a German invention, Sushi is not Japanese..etc

Cebiche is Peruvian, then spread to the rest of the world during Viceroyalty times...

^^Ummm hamburgers are not a German invention, despite the name.

Regardless of where it was invented, there are dishes such as oka that are clearly Polynesian variations on ceviche. Even if George Bush is from Venus, they exist. Not worth mentioning in the cultural laundry list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.186.77 (talk) 06:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Cibum
I'm peruvian, I've changed "yoyu" to "yuyo". There's also a theory that cebiche comes from latin "cibum" does someone know about this more? - Micrurus

Halibut ceviche
Ceviche is found in many incarnations in the United States, often made with local fish (I've had delicious Halibut ceviche in Alaska) or more traditional ingredients like scallop or shrimp, but never with hamburger meat like the article previously cited before I deleted the reference. Maybe the person who wrote that was confusing it with steak tartare. -Roxy

Ceviche without Lemon?
The claim about a quechua (native americans) origin for the Ceviche is ridiculous, because the LEMON was introduce to America by europeans in 1493. How can you prepare Ceviche (basically fish marinated in lemon) without lemons? That claim is ridiculous. That's just ignorance and cheap "PATRIOTERISMO".

Wikipedia Lemon


 * Lemons are not the only fruit that contain citric acid. In Pre-Columbian times, indigenous Andean people used the acidic juice of the tumbo, also known as the banana passionfruit, to marinate ceviche. The use of lemon, lime, and grapefruit is a modern substitution. It is entirely possible, however, that the use of acidic juices to marinate fish was invented in multiple parts of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.136.201 (talk) 03:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ceviche with Lemon
Simply without lemon isn`t ceviche,spanishs have roots arabs.arabs and others races marinate fish,shrimp,octopus,etc.México too fight origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.150.136.128 (talk) 22:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

everyone calm down and let him change it... you better change it

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Grammar check?
From the first paragraph of the article: "finfish is typically used raw while shellfish is typically cooked." Should that be finfish are and shellfish are? Jaco66 (talk) 03:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
How is the word ceviche pronounced? Zargulon (talk) 13:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

http://www.forvo.com/word/ceviche/ <-- Colombia. http://209.161.37.11/cgi-bin/audio.pl?cevich01.wav=ceviche <-- US. Marcipangris (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Copyright issues/entitlement?
I was browsing the web, when I found this article on Wikipedia. I noted how it was interesting that so many variations were provided, but when I stumbled upon an article entailing variations for ceviche, I noted how these two articles were so similar:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Ceviche

What do you guys think? Was it just copy-and-pasted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fruit.Smoothie (talk • contribs) 02:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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