Talk:Chaghri Beg

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 * "Çağrı Beg" -Llc 40 results
 * "Çağrı Bey" -Llc 108 results
 * "Chagri Beg" -Llc 120 results
 * "Chagri Bey" -Llc 3 results
 * "Chaghri Beg" -Llc 509 results
 * "Chaghri Bey" -Llc 8 results

Takabeg (talk) 03:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

বাংলায় অনুবাদ করা হউক।। RomanRace (talk) 09:24, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Naming conventions
The official names and the titles of the Medieval monarchs may be extremely long. There are cases where the length of the official name may cover a whole page (with father's and grandfater's names, born and acquired names, administrative, religious and military titles, epithets, etc etc.) Well these names were used only in diplomatic letters and were never used widely. In stead of these over elongated names, the names of these people were always simple names made of only one or two word. According to Wikipedia "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's official name" but it uses "the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject". (If desired a section dediacated just to the names can be creted see Tardu) So it is clear that Alp Arslan instead Diya ad Din Alparslan is preferred. On the other hand the daughters of the monarchs are always given the title "princess" in Western languages. So there is no need to add the title princess to the names of royal daughters. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hello and happy new year. Per your comment, I just wanted to add that obviously scholars would associate his name with the title 'Beg' (or 'Bey'), but in essence it's just an honorific title, just like 'King' or 'Queen' and such titles are omitted from the page names, especially for articles on monarchs and rulers (for consorts the case is a little bit different). I also used Google Ngram to look up some results, and it seems that Chaghri is more common compared to Chaghri Beg. My initial argument was also based on WP:TITLECON. Many of his family members used the title 'beg', including his brother Tughril, yet it's not incorporated into the main article titles. I'll look forward to any comments that you might have on this matter. Keivan.f Talk 09:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Happy new year. You can't really compare it to the title of king/queen, it was normally part of ones name, especially in the post-modern era. I could come up with tons of people in Turkey and Iran who has 'Beg/Bey' as part of their name. This is no different than 'Agha' (Agha Muhammad Khan Qajar for example). Of course it is more common, he is normally introduced as 'Chaghri Beg', then he is simply called Chaghri afterwards. That is no different when introducing a ruler with their regnal number and then choosing to refer them by their name only afterwards. If you look at sources such as Islamica/Iranica, they all include the word Beg in the name of a person as part of their actual name, not in the same style as that of king/queen. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)