Talk:Chaim Topol

Name of Birthplace
IN 1935, there was no such state as Israel. I'm guessing that at the time of Topol's birth, his birthplace was called Palestine. Should this be acknowledged, and can anyone confirm either way? JackofOz 09:11, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Jack of OZ you are technically correct but historically wrong---Israel was then called Palestine, and under British rule and had no Soverign power, but many Jews lived there after being cast out of many countries and especially Nazi Germany and Russia. Isreal has always existed if only in the minds of Jews and Christians around the world--even if it was just a spiritual place with no Sovereignity ot real existence. It was in 1949 that Isreal again became a real nation that it has been some nearly 3000 years ago. In the meantime it had been ruled by Babylonians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Romans, Greeks, the Ottoman Empire, the Crusaders and the Knights of Malta among many others and finaly the British.

Jew bashing has often resulted in their being cast out of their homelands and when this happened they typically immigrate to two places, most often: Isreal and the United States. This has been going on since Columbus left for the Americas in 1492 when Isabella ran an ethic cleansing campaign to cast out all Jews from Spain for which Spain paid dearly for economically and is still paying for to this very day. Those who did not immigrate were required to become Christians by the Inquisition or face the judgement of the Inquisition which meant torture, boiling in oil, hanging,beheading, drawn and quartered and many other barbaric pracices by so-called Christians--self righeous though they were. They were known as conversos. Conversos were still persecuted because supposedly they were not Christian enough and were thought to be having secret Jewish services behind the Inquisitions back. The first Jews, in what is now the United States, came to Charleston, SC and established the first and oldest continuing Temple in North America. It was from this Temple that the Reform movement began which relaxed many of the traditional Orthodox customs and commandments as not appropriate for a modern age---for example to get married one does not go beat up one hundred men, circumsize them and present their foreskins to the father or the future bride (but that was the custom during King Solomon's time) nor does one throw ones wife out on a cold winter's night because she is having her period as the Book of Leviticus commands. The Reform movement sought to modernize and bring up to date Hebrew religion. In many Reformed Temples the services are very similar to Christian ones.

Strictly speaking you are correct, but the convention is to write Israel in such cases. For example, my mother was born in 1943, but her passport and all official documents, including international documents, list "Israel" as her country of birth. --Woggly 09:44, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * There is no "convention". The state of Israel did not exist at the time and Mandate of Palestine should be Chaim's correct place of birth. The change thereof is most likely due to subjective, retroactive political maneuvering of a much disputed legacy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.234.50 (talk • contribs)


 * Yes there is such a convention, and it is respected by many countries outside of Israel. The fact is that the subjects of the then British Mandate of Palestine became citizens of Israel when Israel was established, and retained no rights as British subjects. The British Mandate of Palestine no longer exists. Nor are people born in this same territory prior to 1922 under the Ottoman empire considered Turkish nowadays. While I see nothing wrong with the solution that has evolved on Wikipedia (See, for example: Daniel Kahneman) which gives the readers the option of reading up on their history, the flat out statement "there is no convention" is simply wrong. --woggly 06:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

He was born in Tel Aviv

What is Topols real name? Most articles about such actors tell that and when is his birthday? A good example of this is Michael Caine who is Michael Cain in public life but in private he uses his real name. Bette Davis was not Bette Davis but in real life she was Ruby?---. Tallulah Bankhead seems to have been the exception to this business of using professional names. Tallulah was really Talllulah.

Criticism wording
"Despite some unjustified criticism that he has received over the years for supposedly using "cute" acting tricks.."

Who's to say the criticism was unjustified? I believe removal of the word unjustified would be a suitable remedy.

Pronunciation of surname
Does anyone know the correct pronunciation of the name "Topol"? I always assumed it was TOE-POLE (both syllables stressed), but I have heard it as ta-PAUL (in the same manner as the Star Trek: Enterprise character T'Pol.)65.213.220.62 20:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)databoyecho@aol.com
 * No, the stress is on the first syllable. "TOE-pole" or "TUH-pole" are decent approximations. -woggly 06:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

GREAT PEOPLE OF THE BIBLE
I wanted to add this to his filmography, as he appeared as a character, and was the executive producer, but I am having a hard time finding any information about the mini-series, should I just leave it out? JN322 16:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

First film
"Topol appeared in his first film in 1964"

This is inconsistent with the filmography, and is something of an overstatement, seeing as it regards an Accademy Award for Best Foreign Film nominee.

Filmography
From the article ...

''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001), Rubeus Hagrid (Hebrew Dub) Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002), Rubeus Hagrid (Hebrew Dub) The Jungle Book 2 (2003), Bagheera (Hebrew Dub)'' 'Hebrew Dub' - what does that mean ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.214.45 (talk) 07:28, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It means he did the Hebrew voiceover for these films. Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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Date of death
When did Topol actually die? Different sources say different things:

Israel Nation News: Overnight Wednesday (What does "overnight" mean anyway?)

Times of Israel, Variety, Hollywood Reporter: Thursday

Guardian, Independent; IMDB: Wednesday

New York Times, BBC : No date at all. 194.69.14.132 (talk) 10:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Correction
Both of his parents were born in Poland. תיל&#34;ם (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Article probably needs updating
To reflect the posthumous revelations that Topol was employed by the Israeli military/government for undercover intelligence work to evacuate Russian Jews from behind the Iron Curtain. As it's a GA, I'll leave this as a recommendation for regular editors. Kingsif (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)