Talk:Chanel Miller

What is Chanel Miller's ancestry?
Chanel Miller is described as "Chinese-American" and we are told that her mother came to the United States from China. Where did her father come from? Is he also Chinese? If he is Chinese how is it that Chanel has the surname "Miller?" Or is her father Caucasian-American, which would make her multi-racial? I don't see any reference to Chanel having married someone named Miller. There are no wrong answers, but I think it would be helpful if this information could be confirmed and added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:CB07:6400:C424:CED5:B6DD:766D (talk) 21:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

In her memoir, Know My Name she refers to her father who is Caucausian. The very first line of the article says "the elder of two daughters of a Chinese mother and an American father." So I guess this issue has been dealt with. Sam* (talk) 16:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Her father is Christopher Miller, a psychotherapist who is now retired. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1CD0:1710:A5D6:E7BD:630C:8AFE (talk) 07:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Strange use of passive voice
Under the heading "Assault and victim impact statement" the second sentence states "Miller was unconscious, with alcohol in her system." The use of the passive voice (in her system) is oddly unencyclopedic and vague (as if there was no clarity around how the alcohol got into her system, nor how much there was) and it elides the connection between the quantity of alcohol in her system and her unconscious state. In the main article, People v. Turner, it states "...doctors estimated her intoxication level at 1 a.m., the estimated time of the assault, to have been around 0.22%, or 0.242-0.249%" This is three times the legal limit of intoxication in California. I have changed it to ''"Miller was unconscious; her blood alcohol level was later determined to have been three times the legal limit of intoxication in California." I also provided appropriate references.''

I do not think the passive voice is wrong - but i wanted to point out something - the phrase "three times the legal limit of intoxication in California" does not seem to be an accurate statement. A person can be cited - given a ticket or arrested - for driving if their alcohol level is .08 BAC - but that does not mean .08 is "the legal limit of intoxication" -I do not think there is a "legal limit of intoxication" You are allowed to have a certain amount of alcohol in your system and still drive, this does not mean that is a "legal limit of intoxication" Generally, the term "intoxicated" is understood to mean a person is drunk or high on drugs - but one beer puts most people over .08 BAC for around an hour- but we do not call people who had one beer "intoxicated". It is very misleading.

False claims in the Victim Impact Statement
I think there should be some mention of the fact the Victim Impact Statement is misleading.

Miller talks about bandages, in a way which I believe implies she was injured in some way by Turner - this is completely untrue - she needed treatment for her drunkeness and so the EMT's took blood samples and also gave her an IV - but none of that had to do with Turner - her statement misleadingly implies it was.

Another claim was, she said Turner "jabbed" pine needles into her - but there was nothing in her vagina - this is just made up. I think it's very dramatic, to think the guy who actually sadistically stuffed pine needles into her vagina got only six months - but in fact, it never happened. There is really no reason to think Miller did not consent to sex with Turner, but that is another subject - but the claim he put pine needles in her vagina is completely false.

It might also be important to point out, she is a dramatist and actress -that is what she did in college- "Spoken Word" performances- I think the Victim Impact statement is kind of her Magnum Opus in Spoken Word -but, I do not suggest that be put in - but something about the Spoken Word seems appropriate.

A bunch of missing information
As I said elsewhere. I think Miller's background as a Spoken Word artist - which means she's a playwright and an actor - is relevant, because the Victim Impact statement was a masterpiece of SPoken WOrd, and should be interpreted that way. Also, her father's profession, doing counseling for drug user and alcoholics, ought to be brought up, since she seemed to have problems with binge drinking.

The fact she was from a very wealthy background might be important, since social class was an issue in the Recall Persky campaign Miller took part in,and a lot of people seem to assume Brock Turner was rich, and Miller was not, when in fact it was the opposite.

I think the untrue statements in the Victim Impact Statement should be emphasized. Miller is well known for that statement, so giving some background on it is very important. I believe the false claim Turner stuffed pine needles in her vagina should be brought up -the sex assault exam showed no evidence of that, but it is probably very widely believed - also, though she does not say it directly, the talk of bandages is misleading - there were no injuries at all - the EMTs of course took blood for testing and put an IV in - both these things would have been done because she was found passed out, but I believe she implies it had something to do with Turner.


 * Do you have a citation for any of this?

Bkatcher (talk) 16:41, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * According to the article, the victim impact statement was printed, not read out loud by Miller.
 * Where does it say Miller has a problem with binge drinking?
 * This article says nothing about the Perksy campaign. 'A lot of people seem to assume...' is not a statement backed up by a citation.
 * The article says nothing about pine needles or specifics about the injuries. You're wanting a lot of rebuttals to things not mentioned in the article in the first place.

I am suggesting additions to the article, because I think the Victim Impact Statement is what Miller is best known for.

I am not understanding your point about the victim impact statement being printed. Obviously, is was reproduced in a lot of places very early on, so those media outlets got copies right away- I think it's well documented Miller read it in court - I am not sure what your point is.

As for the binge drinking - Miller told the police she drank until she blacked out - that is, kept moving but later did not remember what she did - several times before - this I have citations for in the court records.

As to recalling Persky, I do not think linking Miller to that is controversial, she was used as the prime example of the alleged harm done by Persky. Are you saying it's not relevant to an entry on her? I would think most people believe it it.

The pine needles are mentioned in the Victim Impact statement. Miller says Turner jammed pine needles into her- this article does not mention it, so I am not rebutting it - are you saying false statements by Miller, in the thing Miller is most famous for, are not relevant? To be clear - the forensic exam did not show any evidence to support this claim - there were no pine needles found inside her- since Miller says she remembers nothing, her basis for believing this would have to be the forensic reports but they do not back it up.

I also believe the mention of blood is misleading, because the cops EMTs and rape exam - none found evidence she was wounded - again, she got treatment for possible drug overdose/alcohol poisoning and that meant syringes were inserted for blood samples. She got an IV - there might have been other tests taken.

But to be clear one more time - I am not rebutting anything - I am suggesting inclusion of what I think are important topics.

To reiterate. I am suggesting k

Promotion of Chanel Miller narratives by Michele Dauber is crucially important to any bio of Miller
First I would like to ask about policies on editing - I noticed that questions about editing the article were removed from this Talk section - it is not clear why they should be removed.

I believe this article needs a section on Stanford Law Professor Michele Dauber's promotion of Miller- right now, the article is kind of like a bio of Gertrude Stein without mentioning Alice B. Toklas.

In a Democracy Now interview, Michele Dauber claims she helped Miller write the famous Victim Impact Statement, and then she (Dauber) sent it out to media outlets with the help of one of the producers of a controversial documentary on sexual assault on campus "The Hunting Ground"

Before that, during the trial of Brock Turner, Dauber represented herself as speaking for Miller, and this was not challenged by Miller.

Dauber's statements to the media during the negotiations for a payment to Miller from Stanford University indicated she was Miller's representative. (Miller was paid $150,000 eventually IIRC)

Dauber's relationship with Miller is central to her story. This is not to discount Miller's abilities, but just to tell the full story.