Talk:Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Coat of Arms
The coat of arms depicted is that of his distant cousin Charles Carroll, Barrister, grandson of Charles Carroll of Clonlisk, which had a red field and gold lions.

The Carrolls of Doughoregan used the arms depicted on the bookplate of Charles Carroll "the Settler," son of Daniel Carroll of Litterluna, which had a silver/white field and red lions. The difference in uncolored depictions is shown by the presence or lack of vertical hatching on the shield indicating "gules" or red. The Litterluna/Doughoregan/Carrollton version can also be found on CCC's own bookplate  as well as silver belonging to his father, Charles Carroll of Annapolis. See Hoffman, "Princes of Ireland, Planters of Maryland." 72.83.139.105 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2020 (UTC) Joseph McMillan

Untitled
Yello. This sentence is kind of confusing. Can you help me out? "Charles married Mary Darnall, known as Molly, on June 5, 1768. They had seven children before Mary died in 1782, but only three survived infancy: Mary, Charles, and Kitty. Mary was married to Richard Caton, and Charles lived with them and their four children after his wife died." Charles senior or junior? Perhaps we could also specify that the Mary being referred to is the daughter. Taco325i 04:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Emigration date
The text says:

Around the year 1659, during the reign of King James II, he emigrated from England to America, thus establishing one of the most influential families in American politics.

James II reigned from 1685 to 1688. So, is the date wrong, or is the reign wrong? Coemgenus 19:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Irish Clan Chiefs
The "O'" in Irish surnames was often dropped due to the Anglicisation policy of the occupying English, particularly during the period of the "Penal Laws". This is simplistic at best and at worst just plain wrong. The Ó (and actually Ua, Mac and Mag) are all unstressed in Irish and are often not heard in the language at all (depending on dialect the may be no Ó where there should be). This can be best illustrated by the two brothers Seosamh Mac Grianna and Séamus Ó Grianna (see the Wikipedia entries for them), where the brothers were unsure what prefix 'Ó' or 'Mac' should go before their name which was really pronounced as Grianna or perhaps as 'A Grianna' with a slight 'a' sound in careful speech. This explains why so many names lost the O and the Mac as much as Penal laws. It is also worth pointing out that Manx names have nearly all lost the Mac sound as well (Manx Gaelic's treatment of Mac was similar to northern Irish's with the sound reduced to either 'c' or 'ac'). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.6.253 (talk) 02:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Birth date
The entry has him born in two different years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.106.154 (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, I fixed it. The Catholic Encyclopedia gives his birth year as 1737. Coemgenus 22:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Carroll's Sacred Trust
I didn't see a reference to Carroll being remembered for his "sacred trust" in the Maryland state song. I grew up in Maryland and recall being told that this was in relation to his status as a signer of the Declaration of Independence. (On the Wiki Maryland, My Maryland page, there reference to Carrol includes a link to this, his biographical entry.)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by George was curious (talk • contribs) 14:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

What park?
What park is "this park"? And wouldn't "the first fair in the United States", if it's a fact, have a link to something? Philadelphia probably should be linked, too. -- Pemilligan (talk) 13:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Catholics and Masonry
From whence comes this ban on being both Catholic and Mason? I was in a Masonic youth group and still have my life membership card. The men who sponsored the organization definitely included Catholics, and there were Catholic kids in the organization. I always heard that it was frowned upon (by the Church) but American Catholics (especially the Carroll family) have been defying Church orthodoxy now and again. So citation, please. It would be interesting to go tell all the Masonic-Catholics alive today that they don't exist, based on this wiki!69.235.0.140 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC).

Carroll Hall
Many of the residence halls at U of M are named after counties and county seats. So, in a way Carroll Hall is named after him, but it would be more accurate to say it is named after the county. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:1480:6A8:552E:8A2A:6249:A5BF (talk) 02:17, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Need to clarify contradictory statements
In the third paragraph it states that he freed his slaves. In the section on his attitude towards slavery it states that he didn't free his slaves. Which is it? Jjc2002 (talk) 12:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)Jjc2002
 * If there's no source for his having freed his slaves, the line in the third paragraph should be removed. --Remy Green (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Objection to the description "Irish American" in the lead
It is entirely unconventional to use pseudo-ethnic descriptors like "Irish American" in the leads of biographies of founding fathers. We don't write "Dutch American" or "English American" to describe the other founding fathers; Alexander Hamilton isn't described as a "Scottish American" or "French American". These terms are generally reserved for men of the founding generation who were born somewhere else - like Thomas Paine, who was born in England.

In addition to that, "Irish American" as an ethnicity didn't exist until large numbers of Irish Catholics entered the US and formed ethnic communities, well into the 19th Century. It is simply ahistorical to use the descriptor on someone who was born in the American colonies, whose father was born in the American colonies. You have to go back to his grandfather's generation to find someone born in Ireland.Jonathan f1 (talk) 04:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Conflicting
"Though barred from holding office in Maryland because of his religion" ... "Carroll served in the Maryland Senate from 1781 to 1800" ? ɱ (talk) 03:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)