Talk:Charlie Peacock

Untitled
Which California State University? There are over 20 of them. RickK 04:56, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * Oops sorry, didn't realise that. It was the Sacramento one. Angela

other musical projects
No mention of Charlie's work with Bourgeois Tagg, Jimmy A, Vince Ebo or as the keyboardist in Vector. Also no mention was made of his work producing other artists such as Margaret Becker and Sarah Masen. Rick 13:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

re:think
No mention of re:think records. Home of Switchfoot, Sarah Masen, etc.

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The Civil Wars
Right now half the lede is about The Civil Wars, Peacock's latest production project. The band is just mentioned in passing later in the article. I'll try to come back later, when I have time, and bring some balance to the article. Probably move what I split out as a second paragraph in the lede into the first section of the article -- Foetusized (talk)12:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've removed the gratuitous and off topic paragraph on The Civil Wars which does not belong anywhere in the article and especially not in the lead. I am revising the entire article and removing the blatant promotion, un-sourced BLP claims and off topic text. When that is completed we can expand the lead to summarize the main points of the article including his early life, education and various bands and musical projects.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 19:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Fan POV and Unreferenced tags
The article has bias and reads more like an article in a fan magazine rather than an encyclopedic portrayal of the life of the subject. There are many instances of puffery (see WP:PEACOCK) and large sections without any sources. The lead is also in violation of WP:LEAD and favors awards and compliments rather than a neutral and balance summary of the article. I encourage others to join me in bringing this article up to Wikipedia standards. Thanks.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've edited the article so it is now compliant with Wiki policies and removed the excess tags. It still needs additional references. Thanks for pitching in and helping to improve the article! -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 17:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Let's Avoid Being a WP:Coatrack
Removed text that is un-sourced and/or is off-topic (ie not directly about the subject) or appears to be non-notable. If reliable sources can be found that vouch for the accuracy and notability of this information it is deemed to be directly about the subjects life (not his friends or associates or other peoples work etc.) then some of the text can be re-added in a way that does not violate WP:UNDUE weight.
 * Also called "No Man's Land," this part of central and southwestern Louisiana was settled in part by a mixed-race people known as Redbones (see Redbone (ethnicity)) to which Peacock and his "Ashworth" family are direct descendants. Peacock's maternal family, the Williamsons and Millers originate from Oklahoma.  All four families migrated west to California during the Great Depression. By age 13, Peacock was composing instrumental and vocal music. -- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 17:08, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * In April 1982 Peacock's 12 step recovery group "spiritual awakening" gave birth to a full-blown belief in the person and mission of Jesus Christ. According to Peacock's own published writings, he was introduced to a fresh reading of the Jesus narrative by Sacramento saxophonist, Michael Butera, a friend of producer David Kahne.  Butera introduced Peacock to a group of Christians affiliated with Chuck Smith (pastor) and Calvary Chapel.  Peacock began studying the Bible in earnest.  Several Christians affiliated with the group encouraged Peacock to leave "secular" music and focus on "music ministry."  Peacock was confused, felt co-opted by fellow Christians, and ultimately looked to the writings of American/Swiss theologian Francis Schaeffer for clarity.  Schaeffer's book, "Art and the Bible" was life-breath to Peacock confirming his spiritual intuition that these new, well-meaning Christian friends were giving him non-biblical advice.  During this time, a painter/guitarist named Jimmy Abegg, began showing up at Peacock's club gigs.  Abegg was decidedly more open in his thinking about art and offered to introduce Peacock to other like-minded Christians, such as Mary Neely, producer of the nationally syndicated radio program Rock & Religion Radio Show (a.k.a. Rock Scope).  The show, which focused on spiritual themes in rock music, featured music and interviews from artists like Bob Dylan, The Rolling Stones, Roger McGuinn of The Byrds, The Who, Joe English of Paul McCartney's Wings, T-Bone Burnett & The Alpha Band, Jerry Garcia and many others.  Other notable artist/thinkers in Neely's circle included, Steve Turner (writer), Davin Seay, Steve Scott (poet), and Michael Roe.-- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 17:26, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Known for his artistic integrity and diversity, Peacock is a sought out mentor to many musicians, producers and storytellers. While he continues to work extensively in the worlds of music and film as a producer and songwriter, as well as a jazz recording artist, Peacock invests most of his time nurturing Nashville's emerging independent artists community—including the pop/rock coalition known as Ten Out of Tenn (Erin McCarley, Andy Davis, Katie Herzig, Griffin House, Matthew Perryman Jones, Trent Dabbs, k.s. Rhoads, Tyler James, Butterfly Boucher and Jeremy Lister).--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 17:30, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * A sampling of artists affiliated with Twenty Ten includes: Andy Davis, Attwater, Brooke Waggoner, Daves Highway, De Novo Dahl, Jillian Edwards, k.s. Rhoads, The Daylights, Switchfoot (via a partnership with EMI), The Civil Wars, Venus Hum, Ruby Amanfu (Sam & Ruby), Zach Williams and Sleeping at Last. Peacock’s son, artist Sam Ashworth is Creative Director for the company. Twenty Ten Music, under Peacock's direction, has provided original scoring and songs for the films Rabbit Room starring Nicole Kidman, Searching For Sonny starring Minka Kelly, I Love You Phillip Morris starring Ewan McGregor, Something Borrowed starring Kate Hudson, and the documentary Wrestling For Jesus.  Peacock and Twenty Ten Music worked directly with music producer Randy Jackson on the soundtracks for NBC and FOX telepics, The Jensen Project, A Walk In My Shoes, and Change of Plans.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> •  Talk  • 17:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Quality of Article
I think at present we have a fairly well written, concise, neutral and encyclopedic article. If some more citations could be added to confirm the text that has no references then we could get a peer review of this article as right now it has no quality ranking amongst the Jazz Project. Who knows some day this could have good article or featured article status! :-) --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> •  Talk  • 15:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've managed a little copy-editing today, and hope to get farther into the article this weekend -- Foetusized (talk) 16:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The most important part of his career, in my opinion, is under-represented. No mention of him being a key player at Exit Records or his involvement with the band Vector (cow-writing and sharing lead vocal duties in the band). No mention of The West Coast Diaries. No mention of his albums on Sparrow, which are probably his most successful commercially speaking. The entire section is unreferenced. The section should be broken down into two sections. The time before his first Sparrow release and the Sparrow years. That time has nearly four pages in The Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds OK as long as the new material is sourced. Can you make an effort to add citations for any new material you add? That would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you in advance! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 19:22, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't dream of adding copy without refs. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:23, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've got a copy of At the Crossroads in a pile of books I intend to read someday. Guess I could pull it out and see what content there might be in relation to his own music career.  I would need to cite it, and probably notate that it was sourced from the article subject's own writing -- Foetusized (talk) 21:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Primary sources are OK for a timeline of life events etc., but WP prefers secondary sources if we can get them. We want to avoid a situation where the subject is commenting on himself as that can create POV and puffery.  Thanks for your help! :-) --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> •  Talk  • 13:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

The Lead Paragraphs
Today I reverted changes to the lead which removed sourced content that summarized the subjects life and replaced it with editorialized praise of the subject which violated WP:LEAD and gave undue weight to minor aspects of the article (see WP:UNDUE). I am happy to discuss specifics and have the input of other editors. Cheers!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 18:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Self promotion?
Please not that Accuracypolice is a single purpose account whose sole purpose is to edit this article and place the name Charlie Peacock in other related articles. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 00:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Do the edits violate any standards? WP:SPA deals with this issue. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not looked at the edits in detail. I just wanted to alert all of the editors who are active here to the situation. As you point out single purpose accounts (SPA) are certainly permitted on WP as long as they edit within the guidelines. I don't want to discourage anyone from editing, just want to inform and alert those concerned about the relevant WP policies. Thanks for your input.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> •  Talk  • 14:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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