Talk:Chewing

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Merged chewing article with this mastication article --Djanvk 03:58, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image Caption
A monkey masturbate masticates while others watch. Really? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.177.214 (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hahahahaha! CLASSIC! I swear, if anybody changes the caption, I WILL fight you. That's a promise. Iforget2020 (talk) 01:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Rhymes with Masturbation
I just thought I would outline this. I thought it rather hilarious.130.220.79.99 (talk) 04:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Random talk

 * This is my first time actually creating an account and logging into Wikipedia. I was hoping that after I logged-in there would be some way to flag this article. I'm not sure I should edit this, but in the first paragraph at the top of the page, someone has placed some "garbage" in there. Can I just edit this myself? How does this work - I'll go read the docs or whatever - but I just thought I'd place it into someone else's "knowing" hands before taking matters into my own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoellyB (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia has the same slogan as Nike - just do it. WLU 17:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Boldface terms
Some of the terms here are in boldface because they are redirects to this page. Because this article is intended to encompass terms like muscles of mastication without having a separate article for the term, the boldface is used so those arriving from redirects are able to find what they were looking for quickly. Without this, the redirects may cause confusion and defeat the purpose. I've replaced the boldface on the aforementioned muscles of mastication, because I was the one who unlinked it as a redirect to mastication.  Big Nate 37 (T) 19:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never seen this before, is there a policy? I don't think the boldface is necessary and would prefer plain text - boldface gives the term an added importance or cues the reader to pay more attention to it, which isn't really the purpose you give above for bolding the terms.  Besides, in this case, there's a section heading.  Better might be to correct the redirect link to go right to that section.  I'll do so.  WLU 20:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, to me it seems like the term could be in boldface as the subject of that section, much like the subject of an article is in boldface in its introductory paragraph. However, it is fine as it is. As long as you're aware of my reasoning as you remove the bold markup, it's fine with me.  Big Nate 37 (T) 23:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I really think the bold is distracting to readers, and I've never seen a page with similar bolding. What I did was every link that was directly to the muscles of mastication redirect I corrected to link directly to the section - no need for bold if it goes right to a section named for what the link is.  WLU 18:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that may not be the best solution. Easter eggs are bad (yes, that was ironic).  Big Nate 37 (T) 19:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh, hadn't seen that before. I'll think on it, but if I recall correctly, all my piped links are from Muscles of mastication to Mastication, so it's not too traumatizing.  Good policy though, it'll affect my wikilinking from here on.  Thanks! WLU 20:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that you've put them side-by-side and I see the difference between Muscles of mastication and Mastication right infront of me, I don't think piping muscles of mastication could be considered an easter egg anyways. Glad to have pointed it out, though.  Big Nate 37 (T) 21:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Good
Let's include certain things that are good to chew. We could have a list. Areally awesome list of all our favorite things to chew. Let's do it. Feel free to post up a few things you like to chew. Chewing rocks!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.143.96 (talk) 03:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Song
Just throwing this out there. JL used this in place of "masturbation" in the lyrics for Give Peace a Chance. Don't know if any notes belong on the article or if it's relative, but I wouldn't mind if someone put it in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.129.191 (talk) 20:35, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Is "Mastication" of higher value than people?
I wanted to look for people called Chew, I am directed to a page on Mastication. It has a subsidiary link to a disambiguation page. There are 22 articles listed on that page, including 16 biographies. Why is Chew(Mastication) far more noteworthy than the disambiguation page?Brunswicknic (talk) 07:43, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I would think that most people typing in "chew" or especially "chewing" would be looking for this page. Having said that, doesn't greatly matter if they have to go through a dab like everyone else who is not looking for this page. Lesion  ( talk ) 14:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Muscles of mastication
I have proposed this merge, between the muscles page and this article, because:
 * Musculature is an essential part of mastication that should be covered on this article
 * There is no unique anatomical structure called 'muscles of mastication', except in Gray's Anatomy, so this article would be better displayed where it is useful.
 * There is no need for the information on musculature to be hidden away on a separate article. This means the information is not presented as it could be, and it is needlessly fragmented.
 * Additionally, this page is small and it would give more context to have the information displayed in a central location, rather than hidden on a separate article.
 * If necessary, the article on ossification could be expanded at a later date.
 * As can be seen, by having two separate articles content is already duplicated and/or displayed on one or either article, rather than displayed in a central place on just one article LT910001 (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * It could work... my only concern is that ideally the page muscles of mastication should discuss things other than mastication. E.g. temporomandibular joint disorder, bruxism, spread of odontogenic infection (in which they present barriers to the spread of infection) and I am sure there is more I cannot thin of right now...do we merge the muscles involved in swallowing with deglutition? Not sure... Lesion  ( talk ) 14:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The use of the term "muscles of mastication" extends far beyond Gray, and the term is still in use at medical schools to this day.  These muscles are a unified group, all working together for one main purpose, all with the same innervation, etc.  It's like "rotator cuff" or "ligaments of the knee" - a group of discrete structures unified by a common purpose. HCA (talk) 16:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose the anatomists of the world have seen fit to create a page for almost every muscle in the human or animal body. While the practicality of this approach could be questioned, it goes far beyond this discussion and we'd be breaking with precedent.  I stumbled across this page looking for muscles of the face.  As a "for-instance" check out muscles of the neck. Omohyoid, which I think is a fine muscle but imo doesn't deserve a page bigger than the masseter has it's own prolific page. Ian Furst (talk) 11:43, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough - with no consensus I have removed the merge tags. I've also included the two disorders that you mentioned above,. --LT910001 (talk) 00:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 14 December 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 19:00, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Mastication → Chewing – Overcomplicated name for an extremely basic process that we have a simple, commonly used vernacular term for. The article got its current name in 2005 because there were two parallel articles; this article and the old Chewing article. The former article seems to have been picked solely because it contained more raw content than the latter, which isn't even a reason to title a page in the first place. Hill Crest&#39;s WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 00:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TECHNICAL. Only scientists and doctors would use the term "mastication" in lieu of chewing.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 03:23, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support, common sense move. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Incorrect - Although the layman confuses these two, the terms are not interchangable. "Mastication is a specific type of chewing that was characterized primitively by transverse movements of precisely occluding teeth, but which has subsequently diversified into a wide range of jaw kinematic and muscle activity patterns (Crompton, 1995; Crompton and Hylander, 1986; Crompton and Parker, 1978; Hiiemae, 2000; Hiiemae, 1976; Hiiemae, 1978; Weijs, 1994)."  The page needs a significant overhaul, including an integration with "chewing" and broader comparative and mechanistic context, and that's something I'll get to eventually (or assign a student to do).  But for the moment, it's worth remembering that the two are NOT synonymous and the bulk of the text and references in this page deal with true mastication as seen in extant mammals, making the title accurate. HCA (talk) 17:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * 'Chewing' and 'Chew' already redirect here, so Wikipedia is already calling them synonymous. Those terms seem to fit the page. Where would you have those two names or redirects go to if not to this page? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * So what *should* happen is that "chewing" should be a standalone page detailing oral prey processing, with a highly comparative context (fish, reptiles, amphibians, arthropods, etc.) and focusing on topics such as the mechanical breakdown of food etc. Then this page would be mastication in the strict sense, talking about how mammals (and presumably ornithischian dinosaurs, judging by dentition) evolved a more complex and rhythmic oral processing systems (mastication) with a suite of specialized adaptations, consequences, role of gamma motorneurons, etc., including all the human stuff.  I know all of what needs to go in, I just don't have the time.  I've been considering assigning pages to my students in place of the final paper in my Comparative Biomechanics class, and this pair of pages would be top of the list. HCA (talk) 19:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a really good idea, and I hope it occurs. Maybe they can work up the pages as drafts, with your input along the way to guide them to writing the best page possible on both subjects. So when that project succeeds then whatever name this page is turned into won't matter if what the students and yourself work up these two interesting sounding pages. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. A discussion of the meaning of mastication can occur on the chewing article. Even animals are said to chew by the layperson. An alternative I would support is for a primary page "Chewing" with a smaller "mastication" page referring to the process detailed by .--Tom (LT) (talk) 22:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME Red Slash 09:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Even if there are other kinds of chewing beyond mastication, the synonymous usage is the clear primary usage for human activity. bd2412  T 18:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


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