Talk:Chinese sovereign

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Request of list of sovereign

List of Sovereigns of Bohai (渤海 bo2 hai3), Nanzhao (南詔 nan2 zhao4), Dali (大理 da4 li3), Xiongnu(匈奴 xiong1 nu2), Tubo (吐蕃| tu3 fan1 sometimes pronounced as 吐播|tu bo1), Huihe(回紇 hui2 he2), 突厥 tu2 jue2, Rouran 柔然 rou2 ran2 needed.

Ktsquare

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 * I have written the paragraphs of how to refer to a specific sovereign in a dynasty of kingdom and the table of Sovereigns of the Han Dynasty. I certainly needed a co-author or a major contributor since creating all the tables with good accuracy myself will be a heavy burden. For example, the starting and ending dates (month and day) of an Era Name may vary with the calendars used in that specific dynasty whose mathematical relationship to today calendar may not yet be well understood. So far I can only list the years, balancing accuracy and my workload.


 * the list of Ming Emperors was a repost from Ming Dynasty. Thanx for your input.

Ktsquare

Okay.... I'll just finish off all the tables listing only years and move onto other projects.

Ktsquare

How about a name change to List of Chinese sovereigns so that this name follows a similar pattern of naming that has already been established by other lists on wikipedia. At the very least, the "s" should not be capitalized. I can do an administrative move which should preserve much of the history of this article (at the very least it would save who created it and who last edited it prior to the move -- the move feature is still a bit buggy). --maveric149

I'm not against the change but instead it could be changed to List of Chinese Sovereigns as it fits the pattern in List of German Kings and Emperors. IMO The change is not necessary unless a unified pattern is done for all lists in Wikipedia Almanac. Referring all tables to a new page just for uncapitalization is pretty worthless IMO cuz no ambiguity with other pages was seen so far. Also, as you have said it, the move feature is still a bit buggy and if any information is lost, it's pretty hard to trace and mend or proofread it for so many tables. For example it took me almost a day to finish and proofread the tables of Han dynasty, Three Kingdoms and JIn Dynasty. Imagine how much time would be needed if all sovereigns of China were "moved". We could wait until the move feature is fully capable of "moving". Meanwhile put a note on Wikipedia Almanac, naming convetion or FAQ so people know what the unified format for all tables in the future should look like. You may also want to gather some supports from wikipedians on talk pages. IMO why bother moving it when nobody is complaining?

Ktsquare

I will hold off on the move so as not to destroy any history of this page -- that is until the bugs are worked out of the move feature. The capitalization issue is enough justification alone for the move and I've just been following a informal naming convention I've seen with many lists over the past several months (and the use of the word "list" is the closest to a convention that I can see on the Wikipedia Almanac page). I like this quasi convention because it gives pages that are just lists names that unambiguously tells the reader what to expect. "Table" also works but most of these lists are just that -- so if a single term, such as "list", were used then it would be a simple matter to not count these list pages as articles in the statistics readout (this is already an established view here -- lists are great but they are not encyclopedia articles). Standard naming rules (such as pluralization) would not be violated if a page is named as "List of" because use of these two words sets the page off as being a list and not an article. You are right, there should be a written naming convention on this issue -- but then there should be a written naming issue on alot of things (wikipedia is still in alpha stage here and we still are working things out). Of course, not everything in Wikipedia Almanac should be renamed "List of" -- only true lists (One of the reasons why I asked was because I am not yet totally sure what to call this page since it looks like more than a simple list -- I will contemplate this further). --maveric149

That's certainly an impressive list. I've take the liberty of making the tables a little easier on the eyes and fixing some typos. Feel free to change the tables back if you don't like it. BTW, why do all tables except the first have these words ("wen2 di4") after the Chinese characters? -Scipius

I like your format and thanx for your help to clear some typos. Basically I have been concentrating on writing and proofreading the content. Some typos may just slipped through on this ever enlarging list. I'm planning to end it on 1911 but I still have not reached 7th century AD yet. Answer to your q: Because the first was written before the rule of having Pinyin pronunciation ("wen2 di4") following every Chinese word was set. Obliging to the rule means typing every Chinese character twice. I'll do it myself for a conherent format of all tables. If you prefer any change especially to let non-Chinese users feel more cmfortable to read the tables, feel free to change it. Any comment on any aspect of the reigns is welcomed.

Ktsquare --

All content moved from Tables of Chinese sovereigns to abide by the wiikipedia's non-capitalization policy. For previous history check and the above conservation were reposted from the talk page. - Ktsquare

Wow! This has got to be the most comprehensive listing of Chinese rulers I've ever seen. Great work! The page is getting rather long so just keep in mind that eventually this page is going to have to be chopped up along logical lines. It's great just like it is for now though. --maveric149

Why? Chopping up the list would make it even more confusing since some tables cannot be listed under pages of dynasties. Keeping it as 1 single list is way much better. BTW Does any administrator or member of the militia (like you I guess) have the authority to chop any page at will?

Ktsquare

No, I wasn't acting in any official capacity (I rarely do anyway) -- just giving you a "heads up", if you will, that long articles tend to be broken up into more digestible (read: smaller) parts after they reach a certain length in wikipedia. As it is right now, some browsers can't even edit this article because it is too long -- not to mention the poor folk with slow internet connections. Many people don't even bother looking much at huge articles becuase of information overload -- let alone edit the long entries. Anybody can chop up the list if they want at any time -- such is the wiki way. My query was just to possibly get you thinking about a logical way that this can be done, so that when it is time you could do it yourself, or if someone else insists (which won't be me) on breaking it up then you would already know of a logical way to do so. --maveric149

A reconciliation would be copying some tables that can be placed under pages of dynasties while still keeping this huge list intact. -- Ktsquare


 * Others may disagree, but this seems reasonable to me. --maveric149

-- For a uniformity of convention, please also type the Chinese character with Pinyin or Zhuyin pronunciation with any romanization you have typed. Thanx. -- Ktsquare

- After 1 month of strenuous work, the page is finally completed. All major Chinese rulers (more than 80%) are included and the tables are good enough for finding any Chinese sovereigns. However as you may see, any missing information is denoted by the question tag (?). Feel free to change it if you have any accurate data. I may update occasionally in the future if I come across any new info. -- Ktsquare June 25 2002

All tables moved to Table of Chinese monarchs so a reader can decide if one wants to load the second longest wikipdian page. -- Ktsquare

Added a bunch of redirects to this page Ktsquare Oct 19 2002

I know nothing at all about China, but based on 65.86.187.138's sole other contribution, suspect that their edit is misinformed. Someone needs to check and probably revert. &mdash; Bill 19:35, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Why is the Yellow Emperor called "mythical"? Is he any more mythical than other historical figures from that era, east or west? &mdash; mjolsnes 22:45, 19 Oct 2006

Emperor of China Article
I plan to put in a separate article for the Emperor of China, thus getting rid of the redirect. There really needs to be more information in a detailed article about power, history, cultural influence and such. Colipon+(T) 00:02, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I've restored an older version of Emperor of China while we wait for you to re-write it. Please do not break the redirect, replace it with 4 words ("A new article here.") and let the empty Wikipage sit unattended for days.  Thanks. -- PFHLai 21:16, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)

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The previous Tianzi Mountain is now handled as part of the disembig Tianzi page. There is no need to readd it here. Benjwong 04:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)